Did Peter start the catholic church? Did Jesus? NO.?

Question

Catholicism loves to bring up this scripture:
18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
Matt 16:18 (KJV)

Where's catholicism?
Fact is, that there is no biblical basis for this. And this is the same bible that catholic leaders say is the truth.

Ok, now on the flip-side- what evidence is there that says Peter didn't start the church or was the first Pope?

1) He never went to Rome (Paul went- in a letter adressed 27 people without mentioning Peter- huh?)

2) He was married.
14 And when Jesus was come into Peter's house, he saw his wife's mother laid, and sick of a fever.
Matt 8:14 (KJV)
Why would a married man start an un-married law in a church?

3) The church that Jesus is referring to is not a series of buildings- it's an organization of those who believe in Him.

4) Peter was Jewish. Why Roman and greek pagan rituals?

Scripture PLEASE.

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Answer 1

The Catholic church was started by the Roman empire.

Answer 2

Start Of The Catholic Church

Answer 3

No, Peter did not start the catholic church. Catholic orthodox had already started before Peter came to Rome.There isn't even any evidence that, once Peter was in Rome, he functioned as any sort of administrative or theological leader — certainly not as a “bishop” in the way we understand the term today. Catholic only got that idea taken from the bible context of Matthew 16:1-18 . Actually Peter died in Rome, because Nero killed him

Answer 4

I believed you do not know much about the Catholic faith! As Catholics, there is the Sacret Traditions and therefore not all can come from the scripture. The bible was complile 300 years after Christ, so where was the bible in the first 300 years? It survived in the Sacret Traditions! For the first 300 years, it was called the Church and the Church has a universal role(Catholic) and therefore it was also called the Catholic Church! Yes! Jesus found the church on earth but when He left this earth, He gave the keys(CHURCH) to Peter(the first Pope) and he(Peter) and his successor became the head of the Church on earth. Your first question(Sacret Tradition). Second question, Yes! Peter was married and Catholics never denies that. When the young rich man came to Jesus and asked Him, what must I do to inhereth heaven and Jesus' reply to him was, he must give up everything to follow Him(Jesus). The law the Catholic church is following Jesus' instructions. The religious have to follow the law and authority of the Church and the rules of Poverty, Obedient and Chasity. Third question, Yes! the church is not only made up of an organization(congreegations) but the Church has to be visible and to be build on top of a hill. That is found in the scripture but I can't remember which part of the bible. At least the Catholic Church is following Jesus' instruction to build churches on top of hill and it's visible. Unlike most protestants churches, they build thier churches on anywhere they like. In cinema, in office building, in shop lots and other places. Question 4, is too general, try ask again, I may help to enlighten you! God bless and Jesus loves you!

Answer 5

not in call yet theory. The call skill usual church of Christ. The Eucharist is what makes the Church from Christ from while it became based. This the Mass is what became surpassed down from St. Peter contained in direction of the Bishops and as we talk could be Catholic. that is all Cathodic churches alongside with the Roman Catholic. The word Catholic could have been put in the bible however the Catholic Bishops did not understand they have been going to bump into human beings such as you who're hung up on words.

Answer 6

Peter was central in the early spread of the gospel (part of the meaning behind Matthew 16:18-19), the teaching of Scripture, taken in context, nowhere declares that he was in authority over the other apostles, or over the Church (having primacy). See Acts 15:1-23; Galatians 2:1-14; and 1 Peter 5:1-5. Nor is it ever taught in Scripture that the bishop of Rome, or any other bishop, was to have primacy over the Church. Scripture does not even explicitly record Peter even being in Rome. Rather there is only one reference in Scripture of Peter writing from “Babylon,” a name sometimes applied to Rome (1 Peter 5:13). Primarily upon this, and the historical rise of the influence of the Bishop of Rome, comes the Roman Catholic Church teaching of the primacy of the Bishop of Rome. However, Scripture shows that Peter’s authority was shared by the other apostles (Ephesians 2:19-20), and the “loosing and binding” authority attributed to him was likewise shared by the local churches, not just their church leaders (see Matthew 18:15-19; 1 Corinthians 5:1-13; 2 Corinthians 13:10; Titus 2:15; 3:10-11).

Also, nowhere does Scripture state that in order to keep the church from error, the authority of the apostles was passed on to those they ordained (apostolic succession). Apostolic succession is “read into” those verses that the Roman Catholic Church uses to support this doctrine (2 Timothy 2:2; 4:2-5; Titus 1:5; 2:1; 2:15; 1 Timothy 5:19-22). Paul does NOT call on believers in various churches to receive Titus, Timothy, and other church leaders based on their authority as bishops, or their having apostolic authority, but rather based upon their being fellow laborers with him (1 Corinthians 16:10; 16:16; 2 Corinthians 8:23).

Answer 7

It is true that Peter could not have used the term "pope" to describe himself, since the title was not conferred on the bishops of Rome during the earliest years of the Church. (Neither does the Bible claim to be "the Bible," for that term had not been invented yet; it simply claimed to be God’s inspired word.) But that is hardly the point, since the question is not the title used, but the existence of the office of pope, which has been united to the office of the bishop of Rome on the basis that Peter went to Rome and died there. It follows that if Peter never went to Rome (this is the real question), then he could hardly have been its bishop, and the present bishop of Rome could hardly be his successor.

Although the Bible has no unmistakable evidence that he was there (though 1 Peter 5:13 does imply it), early Christian writers such as Tertullian, Clement of Alexandria, and Lactantius are unanimous in saying that he went to Rome, presided over the Church there, and was martyred during the Emperor Nero’s persecution.

There was no early writer who claimed that Peter never went to Rome and died elsewhere, and no other ancient city ever claimed to be the place of his death or to have his remains—which makes sense, since in this century it has been demonstrated that his bones lay beneath the high altar of St. Peter’s Basilica.

A popular account of the archaeological excavations conducted from 1939 to 1968, at which time Pope Paul VI confirmed that Peter’s bones had been scientifically and historically identified, may be found in John E. Walsh’s book The Bones of St. Peter.

Answer 8

How about history?

Peter did not start the Church. Jesus did. Peter was selected by Jesus to lead it.

You're correct that the church is the believers, not the buildings. Now, to clear things up a bit more, believers of what?

Christianity.

What kind of Christianity?

The kind that Jesus gave us.

When Jesus set down the Church, it was one Church, one Faith, not 54,000 different kinds. The one Faith was given to the apostles, who spread the faith, established other churches, and taught new Christians. Where the new Christians free to interpret the Faith how they wanted? No. If that were the case (as it is now), it would not be the Faith that the apostles taught them.

One Faith, one Church. What we have now is a myriad of versions of the Faith all based on everybody's personal interpretations of what the bible says (the same bible which came from the Catholic Church) and not on the authority of the Church that Christ founded.

I don't have to quote scripture. This is simple history.

God bless.

Answer 9

You seem to have a biased approach to your questions which really does not help to further logical answers,
Scripture reveals that Christ`s church is indeed the same as that built upon the rock of Peter (Matt:16:18) by giving Peter the keys of authority(Matt:16:19) Jesus appointed Peter as the chief stweard over His earthly kingdom (Isaiah:22:19-22)
Jesus also charged Peter to be the source of strength for the rest of the Apostles(Luke:22:32) and the earthly Shepherd of Jesus` flock(John:21:15-17)
Jesus further gave Peter and the Apostles in union with him the power to bind and loose in Heaven what they bound and loosed on earth,(Matt:16:19; 18:18)
This teaching authority did not just die with Peter and the Apostles, but was transferred to future Bishops through the laying on of hands,(Acts,1:20; 6:6; 13:3; 8:18;9:17; and also Tim:4:14;5:22; and Tim.1:6
Lastly it was the result of the rebellious reformation that distorted holy scripture and placed millions in oposition to Christs one true holy and Apostolic church, and to try and use the Gospels to excuse this fact is tantamount to heresy.

By the way do you seriously expect us to believe that Christ waited for 1500yrs to found His church on Luther,Calvin etc?

Answer 10

Peter did not start the un married law for priests. It was well known that catholic priests could marry. It was changed nearly 1000+ years after christ died. In fact if an Anglican priest that is married converts to the catholic religion he can remain married and practice as a catholic priest.
Why is it that people who are not catholic think they know every thing about it.
There are all these common misconceptions that catholics believe that all other religions are wrong and and their followers were going to hell, the jews killed jesus.. ect. When the main message is to love your neighbour as you would love yourself..
We do know that Jesus and the other apostles were jewish its not a big secret.
I believe the roman and pagan beliefs you are talking about are easter, christmas... The church incorporated their calender to make the conversion of pagans more acceptable to them. 25th of dec is not the exact date of jesus` birth,

Answer 11

>>He never went to Rome<<

For the sake of argument, let us assume this is true. How does this change the fact that Jesus gave Peter the keys to the kingdom of Heaven, gave him the power to bind and loose, and entrusted him with the care of His flock (Matthew 16:19; John 21:15-17)?

>>He was married.<<

And? The Catholic Church HAS married priests, in case you didn't notice.

>>The church that Jesus is referring to is not a series of buildings- it's an organization of those who believe in Him.<<

You actually believe that the Catholic Church is not an organization, but a series of buildings?

>>Why Roman and greek pagan rituals?<<

What pagan rituals?