Non Creationist, Please explain the origins of the universe please?

Question

Creationist need not answer I know you views please don't waste my time.

Attack peoples intelligence because they believe differantly than you people need not apply, I am already well of aware of what you think of my cognitive abilities.

Honest answers only please

Reportbot - I am assuming that not all people who don't believe in the creation are athiest. I was trying to be inclusive.

Thomas - This is why as asked people like you not to answer. You only hurt your cause by being so nasty.

Fireball - You would be hard pressed to find a more righ wing fundamentelist creation believing person than me. Thats why I really didn't want an answer from you. I already know what you will say.

I ask this question here because there are those who postulate that there is no God and no supernatural.
They are here constantly trying to ridicule those of faith therefore for me to ask them what they believe to be true is appropriate. They ask us to defend our faith I'm asking them to defend theirs.

Answer 1

no one knows anything for sure...what people don't seem to get is ,not knowing something is ok....if we know that we DON'T know,THEN we can look for answers.if you try to fill in all the gaps by saying "God did it" would anyone bother to LOOK for answers?


"They ask us to defend our faith I'm asking them to defend theirs."

what we have is not a "faith"

(1)you have a cetain idea of how the universe began(i.e.by creation) and you're sticking to it regardless of whether there's evidence or not because your belief is based on faith

(2)we don't stick to any concept out of faith,but we're ready to accept if there's sufficient evidence.
this acceptance is not based on faith.it's knowledge.

do you need faith to know that 1+1=2?no

similarly,when a person is presented with scientific evidence that points to a logical conclusion,that person accepts that knowledge.that's not a "belief" nor does it require "faith".it's knowledge that we accept.

Answer 2

You'd do much better asking this in the proper category.
Basically (and I mean very, very basically; if you want an answer that isn't horribly simplified, try the 'Astronomy and Space' or 'Physics' category) the universe as we know it began with the Big Bang singularity. This is a point at which all the matter in the universe was condensed in an infinitesimally small point of infinite density. It then began to expand rapidly, and when things cooled down a little, hydrogen atoms began to form, and some helium atoms as well. The hydrogen and helium formed stars, but they weren't very stable and lasted only a few million years before they broke down, becoming supernovae. The fusion in these stars and supernovae produced heavier elements which allowed the formation of more stable stars and, eventually, of comets, asteroids, planets, et cetera.

We do not and cannot (according to modern science) know what caused the Big Bang. The nature of the universe at the point of the Big Bang prevents anything that happened before from affecting anything that happened after, so the origins of the Big Bang will probably remain a mystery forever. What we do know is that if an intelligent being caused the Big Bang (and there's no reason to think one did) that intelligent being would have no impact on the universe after the Big Bang, and consequently could not be the god of any religion.

Answer 3

Well, even creationists know this answer if they went to school.

The prevelent theory is Big Bang. Fusion generated spontaniously inside a contracting gravity well signularity. This then release mass outwards forming the universe or a period of it.

It was first postulated by a Catholic Priest who presented a white paper on the topic around 1930 to a Scientific conference in which Einstein was in attendance.

The theory was countred by Dr. Fred Hoyle who worked with another to postulate the Steady STate theory.

Obeservations from Hubble and later by Bell Lab scientists, confirmed the Priest's posultates of Red Shifts (outward travel of stars and galaxies) and a background static of gamma rays released as the fusion started. Bell Labs found a 3.6 degree Kelvin signature permiates the universe, which is the Gamma Ray signature.

This lead most scientists to favor the Big Bang theory.

The rift is that Big Bang happened spontaniously, with no helping hand. It was serendipity.

That is what religion rejects.

The Catholic Church accepts Big Bang and Darwin, but not Randomism.

The JEwish also accept both. As does a lot of mainstream protestants, including Billy Graham.

None of them, however, accept it was an accident.

Hence where Creationism comes from.

It has been pointed out here there are other theories but this the the prevelant one generally accepted.

Answer 4

Not sure why your asking a scientific question in the religion sections, but the answer lies in the Big Bang. How do we know the Big Bang happened? We can measure the radiation from the blast even now. The hypothesis of the Big Bang have never been disproven.
Religons can say that God created everything, but they have no testable proof of God. They just have vague statements. This is where science varies from religon. Science takes a hypothesis about how things works and then tries to repeatedly prove or disprove the hypothesis.

Answer 5

It is unknown, and unknowable to present technology. Current efforts are focused on getting to 10^-47 seconds after the universe came into existence.

Of course, not knowing the origin of the universe does nothing to preclude the fact that there is no evidence of a supernatural creation, or the fact that the universe could run without supernatural intervention from as far back as we have studied.

Answer 6

I'm inclined to accept a combination of brane theory and inflaton theory, but the ultimate current answer is:

We do not yet know. Saying, "goddidit," doesn't answer the question of how such a being did it either, so we currently are on an even playing field, you and I. However, you have no way of answering that question except, "He works in mysterious ways." We, however, continue to slowly gather more and more information, formulate hypotheses, put them to the test, keep the good ones, discard the bad ones, and edge ourselves closer and closer to the answer. If you would like to help, a PhD in advanced theoretical particle physics will help you do so; otherwise, please ask your question later when we have had a chance to find the answer.

In short, help find the answer, or, get out of the way so we can find that answer for you.

Answer 7

I am a neo-platonist atheist. I believe reality is based on eternal necessary tautological mathematics. I believe space, time, matter and energy are not fundamental but what really exists is the mathematics which describes them. Reality looks like mass and energy space and time because we see so little of it and we see it from within itself.

I note that reality is describable to a very high degee of accuracy by extremely simple mathematical laws and recognize that this cannot be coincidental. It seems much more simple that given the high degree of correspondance between mathematics and reality that all that exists is simply mathematics.

When you look at reality from this perspective you recognize that reality is eternal (timeless) and necessary, whether the big bang is a beginning in time or not.

I believe all mathematics exists not just the mathematics which corresponds to our particular universe. That particular mathematics however is important because it is selected by our existence.

Answer 8

The science of modern cosmology, observational and theoretical, clearly indicates that, at one point in time, the whole universe was nothing but a cloud of 'smoke' (i.e. an opaque highly dense and hot gaseous composition). This is one of the undisputed principles of standard modern cosmology. Scientists now can observe new stars forming out of the remnants of that 'smoke'. The illuminating stars we see at night were, just as was the whole universe, in that 'smoke' material. God said in the Qur'an:

{Then He turned to the heavens when it was smoke...} (Qur'an 41:11}

Because the earth and the heavens above (the sun, moon, stars, planets, galaxies, etc.) have been formed from this same 'smoke' we conclude that the earth and the heavens were one connected entity. Then out of this homogeneous 'smoke', they formed and separated from each other. God said in the Qur'an:

{Have not those who disbelieved known that the heavens and the earth were one connected entity, then We separated them?..} (Qur'an 21:30)

Professor Alfred Kroner is one of the world's well-known geologists. He is a Professor of the Department of Geosciences, University of Mainz, Mainz, Germany. He said, "Thinking where Muhammad came from .. I think it is almost impossible that he could have known about things like the common origin of the universe, because scientists have only found out within the last few years with very complicated and advance technological methods that this is the case." (From 'This is the Truth' [video]). Also he said, "Somebody who did not know something about nuclear physics fourteen hundred years ago could not, I think, be in a position to find out from his own mind, for instance, that the earth and the heavens had the same origin."

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How can a Book - 1,400 years old - perfectly describe something that our modern-day scientists are only discovering as facts today?
http://www.islamtomorrow.com/quran/miracles/quran_on_origin_of_the_universe.htm

Answer 9

Physics explains the known and knowable universe only back to the instant after the Big Bang (whose light can still be seen and whose noise can still be heard), Science does not make any claims prior to that.

No one knows the ‘origin’ of it all. The choice is either to admit what you do not know or to make something up.

Answer 10

Personally, I believe in the "big bang", an explosion that created the universe. From the dust and particles that floated through space afterwards, life eventually began.