Christians... do you know the Trinity is a spin on a pagan idea?

Question

It was adopted by the Roman church roughly in the 3rd century A.D. to spice it up. A war ensued between the Old believers and the Trinitarians. Guess who one.

The facts may be slightly rearranged to illustrate a point, but yes I am a heretic. You should slay me to appease God

Answer 1

Blessed is our Maiden Mother and Crone!
Blessed Be!
)O(
Ariel

Answer 2

Only the Pagans are right on this one, the Christians are definitely in denial here, just goes to show me how much they really do know about their religion.. Absolutely nothing except the claptrap they have been fed, usually from birth... Love and Light... BB... )O(

Answer 3

I think you are mistaken. This notion is probably from religions who deny the deity of Christ. Some religions say it is a pagan idea as some old world religion worship their god in triads (like Brahma, Vishnu, Shiva), but in the case of Christianity it is a different case. Christians believe in a Godhead or more popularly known as "trinity", consisting of God the Father, the Son (Jesus Christ) and the Holy Spirit which are co-equal. This is not in conflict with the belief that there is only one God because the three are one (just think of the egg having a shell, white and yolk). Search the net and you will probably find debates regarding trinity but as far as I am concerned, it is completely biblical and not a pagan idea.

Answer 4

I love it when people make up history to support their fanciful ideas. the Trinity s a belief of the Church from the beginning and was declared as dogma at the Council of Nicaea to confront the Arian heresy that said that Jesus was not God. The entire Christian Church made the decision in Council to condemn the Arians and to proclaim the teaching of Christ and the apostles.

Often heretics and the critics of Christ's Church will attack claiming Pagan origins for beliefs and practices but upon careful comparison one finds that the pagan beliefs are only similar and the similarity is only coincidental. The Trinity is an original Christian teaching even if it may be similar to a practice or belief of a Pagan religion so such claims have no veracity or basis in fact. to prove that a belief or practice of Christianity is from a dubious source, it would behoove one to prove such a claim beyond just finding similarities but also finding a connection showing that such a practice was adopted directly from the pagan source. That connection cannot be made in the case of the Trinity and most other "Pagan origin" claims by heretics and critics.

In Christ
Fr. Joseph


To Naz- Actually, I have read parts of Tom Harpur's book and found it to be of the same genre of fanciful history as Lorraine Boettners work and Alexander Hislop's. They all write revisionist history to attack Christianity and especially Catholicism. Their writings are lies and and half truths.

Answer 5

Your right !!!!

The "Religion of the Wise" was here 'long before' any form of christianity.

If you don't believe that then your in 'denial'.

I knew this even when i was a christian.

PS>When government bodies came about they felt threatened by this 'Religion'(as it was the only one at that time) because it was so strong in numbers and belief.

Hence why they blackened it and banned the practice of it.

Answer 6

Interesting...

Answer 7

The word Trinity is not in the Bible.

Trinity comes from ancient Babylon...

Jesus often told his followers that his father is Greater than Him.

"This means everlasting life, their taking in knowledge of you, the only true God, and of the one whom you sent forth, Jesus Christ."

Answer 8

Yes True Christians know that and therefore do not support it, the trinity it is not a Bible teaching.

Answer 9

Is the Trinity pagan? The pagan religions had what we call trinities however on closer examination they are not the same in concept or substance. In the same way we would not agree with all the other religions that have a strict monotheistic view of God to be embraced as the same God of the Bible. (Islam, Bahai) The pagan concept was encapsulated with a Father, Mother, giving birth to a Son. They were three major Gods with many minor god's as well. Their trinity was comprised of three Gods not one. The Greek triad of Zeus, Athena, and Apollo, the Hindu triad of Brahma, Vishnu, and Shiva the Egyptian triad of Isis, Horus, and Sub bear no resemblance to the Biblical Trinity. They were all separate not united as the one God and almost unanimously had a mother involved as in a heavenly family. This was really tritheism, which has more in common with Mormonism than a triune God. Anti Trinitarians make usage of the statues with three heads and saying that is our pagan God. If one is going to discount the Trinity because of some similarities in name only and not in substance. Then maybe they should be looking at their own pagan similarities. One can still be in idolatry, if their one God is not the God of the Bible.

Anti Trinitarians make usage of the statues with three heads and saying that is our pagan God. If one is going to discount the Trinity because of some similarities in name only and not in substance. Then maybe they should be looking at their own pagan similarities. One can still be in idolatry, if their one God is not the God of the Bible.

Where did the pagans get a concept of three ? Why not two or four ? Where did they get the idea of a God in heaven anyway? What about their belief in a virgin and a son, where did that originate from ? Rom.1:20-25 tells us that man from the beginning knew God."... 'and their foolish hearts were darkened" vs.25 "they exchanged the truth for a lie, and worshipped and served the creature rather than the creator." When mankind fell into darkness of sin, they still retained some elements of the truth but distorted its meaning and it became lost.

As Walter Martin wrote "In order to find out if the doctrine of the Trinity is true, we do not look to see if it resembles paganism, but to the bible, to see if God teaches it in his word. Pagans also believe in the concept of God. does this mean that God must not be true? Pagans sleep. Does that mean sleeping is wrong ? We must not dismiss an idea merely because it is held in common with those whom we may not approve." (the New Cults p.49) Lets not try to find all kinds of perversions from the outside that have nothing to do with the Biblical record, lets go to the Scripture to prove our major points.

Alexander Hislop, in his book, "the two Babylon's", traces the history of the practices and traditions of the Roman Catholic church. He writes on pg. 18, "All these forms have existed from ancient times, while overcome with idolatry, the recognition of the Trinity was universal, proving how deep rooted in the human race was the doctrine on the subject , which comes out so distinctly in Genesis" Robert watts in New Apologetic says "The Pagan triads are "residuary fragments of their lost knowledge of God, not different stages in a process of evolution. But evidence of a moral and spiritual degradation" (Augustus H. Strongs systematic Theology p.352)

While their are Pagan Trinities which can be traced back to Babylon, instead of supporting anti Trinitarian views such as the Watchtower literature promotes, it is evidence for the tri-une God. Lets not try to find all kinds of perversions from the outside that have nothing to do with the Biblical record, lets go to the Scripture to prove our major points

Hislop writes that many pagan religions held to one infinite God the creator. Strict monotheism is found in Islam and a few other religions. Are we now to accept their view because God is called one (singular).

If we are to reject the concept of the triune God, a unified one, because of the pagan distortions, then we must reject much more than this. The pagan cultures also had a virgin birth and some even had a resurrection, Tammuz died and raised 40 days later. The pagan religions had a priesthood and sacrifices, this too became distorted with human sacrifices for Gods blessings. Some Pagans believed that certain gods became men. They had Biblical symbology such as a dove, the lamb, altars, their are many religions that have distortions of the Bibles account of the flood. Are we now to reject Genesis because of their misrepresentations. They also practiced tongues- ecstatic babble. All of these are counterfeits and distortions of truth, yet we are told since they have a counterfeit Trinity, we are to reject the Biblical Trinity on the same grounds. If you are going to do that, then you must reject all of it on the basis of it being found in some form in ancient paganism. You then annihilate the doctrine of Christ as the God/man, virgin birth, his sacrifice etc. All these are the proof of what Paul explained of what happened in history in Romans one, that mankind had a true knowledge but refused to worship him and sank into idolatry.

The God of the Bible is unique. He is tri-une, which is neither polytheistic nor is it tri-theistic. God is one in nature and is composed of three distinct eternal persons. They are one in substance with a difference in position. What makes all three the one God is that they share the same nature. This is the simple description of the God of the Bible. There is one choice from the Bibles revelation, if one denies the tri-une God, they are either left with atheism or polytheism.

Answer 10

Yes.It is

http://www.thunderministries.com/history/triad/trichrt1.html

To djmantx:

The prophecy about Immanuel is not about Jesus.But someone else.

If Jesus was indeed intended by this prophesy, then why was he named "Jesus" and not "Immanuel" as the prophesy requires? Notice that the prophesy states that "his NAME shall be Immanuel." It does not say that "HE shall be Immanuel." There is a big difference between saying "His name shall be 'God is with us'" and between saying "He shall be God with us."

"Immanuel" is not the only name in the OT that contains the word "El" (God). There are hundreds of Hebrew names that consist of "El" and another noun. For example, "Ishmael" which means "God hears." Did God's sense of hearing come down to earth and live among us in the form of a man? Was God's sense of hearing "incarnated" in the form of a man?. There is also "Israel" (prince of God), and "Elijah" (my God is Jehovah), and so forth. As we can see, it was a very common occurrence for Israelites to have such names. Neither prophet Isaiah, nor King Ahaz, nor any Jew ever thought that the prophesy was for God himself to come down and live among them.


In Genesis 32:30, we are told that Jacob (pbuh) called a piece of land "Peni-el" (Face of God). The actual text states: "And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel," is this the same as saying: "And Jacob said this place is Peniel"? Was the patch of land the actual face of God? Was the face of God "incarnated" in this piece of land?


To cristoiglesia:

You haven't read "The Pagan Christ" yet.

A Rabbi Stament:

One god sends another down to earth. The god on earth prays to the god in heaven. The god in heaven is pleased with the god on earth. The god on earth says that the god in heaven is greater than he (the god on earth). The god on earth says he will later send a third god down to earth. The god in heaven forsakes the god on earth. The god on earth dies and goes to the god in heaven and sits by his side. That is polytheism for sure, one hundred percent. You can call it whatever you want, but it’s polytheism pure & simple --- Rabbi Hersch

Again to cristoiglesia:
http://www.medmalexperts.com/pocm/gettin...
http://nobeliefs.com/exist.htm
http://www.inu.net/skeptic/exist.html...