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can i do this in the UK?? or how do i get it to "work" in the UK?? against someone??

2007-05-08 08:42:06 · 7 answers · asked by R M 1 in Society & Culture Languages

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a 'persona non grata' [unwanted person] is an unwanted alien in any country.

if you visit any country where you are not a native you are considered a 'guest' of the government of that country. if you do something which makes that government no longer willing to accept you in their country (typically this happens to people who commit minor offences, or who have unwelcome political affiliations) the government will declare you 'persona non grata' (will 'png' you) and you will need to leave the country more or less immediately (since your passport will no longer give you any legal protection in the country).

people who get png'ed are typically those involved in smuggling (especially drugs or people), political agitation, or religious extremism (of a kind not approved of in the home country). if you can convince the immigration authorities that a resident alien poses a threat to his country of domicile you will get him png'ed.

on the other hand trying to get someone else png'ed can get you into a lot of trouble yourself if you do it frivolously.

(the wikipedia article refers specifically to png'ing diplomatic staff - but the principles are the same for other non-nationals).

2007-05-08 09:03:09 · answer #1 · answered by synopsis 7 · 1 0

Yes. The expression is used in UK in various contexts (with the meanings "unwanted; undesirable; out of favour") therefore usually when you want someone excluded from a situation, a location, a meeting or a specific event.
One would say " I would not like John/ Mary Smith to be present at these negotiations. As far as I am concerned, he/ she is persona-non-grata because I have reason to believe that he/ she has dubious ulterior motives/ cannot be trusted /will hamper the debate in this forum".
Likewise at a family wedding, the hostess will say. "No. I did not invite Uncle Jack because he is persona-non-grata since he always is being offensive and he gets drunk at family gatherings".
Since the reverse is "persona grata", you can also say "In my firm, he/she would not be persona grata, as he/she has blotted his/her copy book several times and he/she has a bad track record".
If you wanted to exclude someone face to face, you would say: "I am afraid your presence is not needed at this meeting, John. You know you are persona-non-grata with this client/ person and your being there would antagonise him/ her."

As a question, which is what you originally asked, you would say. "Is John Smith persona grata with the senior staff?" or " Why is Mary Smith persona-non-grata at the moment?" or " Why do we have to put up with this persona-non-grata's idiotic statements?" or even "Why am I treated as persona-non-grata when I have contributed so much to this project?"

I hope this is what you were looking for.

2007-05-08 20:27:54 · answer #2 · answered by WISE OWL 7 · 0 0

In, for example, a situation of conflict, the person who gets the blame or is left holding the sh*t, would be the persona non grata. Someone not in favour.
You could use it in a lot of situations, it wouldn't be meant well or as a compliment.

2007-05-08 09:34:23 · answer #3 · answered by Snake Eyes 6 · 0 0

Persona non grata means that someone is stateless. They do not have any place that they have rights in.

It is almost non existent now because most of the worlds countries accord status to anyone within their borders...even if it is only illegal immigrant...this is still a status that attracts rights in all civilized societies.

2007-05-08 08:47:03 · answer #4 · answered by Anonymous · 0 0

Persona Non Grata means someone who is not welcome. They are off the list of acceptable people.

To be able to do this, you must be able to influence the people who make the decisions about accepting others into whatever club/organization/event.

2007-05-08 08:48:06 · answer #5 · answered by Anonymous · 0 2

the clues in the question`Dont give anyone any free gifts or tips`-cant see many in the UK`doing this Deed`Can You`

2007-05-08 09:06:53 · answer #6 · answered by Anonymous · 0 0

persona = person
non = not
grata = welcome

As for your second question, it would depend on how unwelcomed you'd want the person to be, why would want them unwelcomed, and how much clout you have or can muster with the government.

2007-05-08 08:51:52 · answer #7 · answered by Deof Movestofca 7 · 0 1

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