I see people claimng that Roman excecution records mention Jesus. Where does this absurd idea come from?

Question

If anybody has a source of such records I am sure some university history departments would like to know!

Sorry LynA, the claims made by Ctholic Response don't quite address the question and those refferences the use have been discredited long ago. Even the Vatican admits the Josephus passages to be pious forgeries.

Thanks for your clear and direct answer to the question Jack W. I am so glad you did not stoop to an "ad hominem attack" and use cheap shots or insults.

Sure, bradxshuman, so where is this evidence you believe exists.

Williamzo you fail to adress the question and that part of Tacitus is also suspect. It is not from the right period and was not written by an objective author.

Barry Chase seems to have run out of stuff to say part way through his answer, oh well.

Answer 1

Exactly. These people don't realise that without textual evidence their claims are meaningless.

Answer 2

I think they made the one about a reference in execution records up. More pious fraud. When faith is threatened just make up a story most people would be too lazy to check up on every claim anyway. As I keep pointing out there are historical references to Jesus eg. Josephus but ALL these references are debatable and faulty. There are all sorts of problems associated with them.

Answer 3

Tacitus, a Roman historian, in his Annals, c. AD 115, describes the Roman
Emperor Nero's actions after the great fire of Rome, c. AD 64:

Consequently, to get rid of the report, Nero fastened the guilt and inflicted the most exquisite tortures on a class hated for their abominations, called Christians by the populace. Christus, from whom the name had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius at the hands of one of our procurators, Pontius Pilatus, and a most mischievous superstition, thus checked for the moment, again broke out not only in Judæa, the first source of the evil, but even in Rome, where all things hideous and shameful from every part of the world find their centre and become popular.
Annals 15 -44

Answer 4

Of all of the sources I have yet to see one that was written by a person who was born before Jesus died.
Check out all of their links.

Answer 5

The life records prove Jesus came and died-I doubt there is execution records on file-yet it is possible yet take it a step further-Isaiah did more than mention the death of Jesus the Messiah-He recorded it

Isaiah 52:13-53:12, and also said Jesus would be God almighty- Isaiah 9:6 "Unto us will be born a child, a Son is given, and he will be almighty God and the prince of peace."

of course some will say that the Jewish people who reject Jesus put this into their Jewish Hebrew Scriptures so it is not true-why would those that reject Jesus put this in and then leave it there still today? be real

what is the advantage of being a member of Isalm to reject the Messiah Jesus-yet claim to believe him?
you become a Muslim by saying you believe Jesus and then rejecting him.
some examples=Jesus says to love your enemies and do good to them and share the gospel. those in lust-even mohamad who married a 9 year old little girl Aysha at 40 years old-the results leads to taking viginity and also violence sometimes too=is it any wonder-as Muslims on the other hand=

the sunni's murdering the Shiites-and vica versa -since the bombing of the Golden Mosque January 2006 and each other blowing up each others mosques and dragging their leaders out into the street and cold blooded murdering them.

cold blooded murderers? should we deny the Messiah Jesus teaching to care about others or to leave Iraq and let the terrorists take over the country with their billions in oil to support their terrorism throughout the world?
this is what one man here said to my question-a muslim who is supposed to listent to Jesus according to his own religion=

in regards to a muslim who I asked about the messiah Jesus helping one in their life-he who says as Islam says to believe in Jesus-wrote this =
Dentist_Member since: April 21, 2007
" I've never had a Prophet/slave/messenger of God talk to me."

well Jesus said "My sheep hear my voice and follow me." John 10

the problem is we have to do what the good shepherd Messiah Jesus says "I love you repent quickly from your sin (even one lie), Behold I knock on your heart door if you hear my voice and opent he door, I will come in and begin a fellowship with you and you with me, if you repent and ask me in." Revelation 1:1, 3;19&20 and chapters 19-22 about the joy of heaven in salvation, and the agony of hell weeping forever for those that refuse the voice of Messiah Jesus.

As a Jew-I come to messiah from the prophecies Isaiah 52:13-53:12 as I gave this man but he refused to listen- "He will lay down his life as a lamb and make atonement for our sins." will we listen?
LET JESUS HELP YOU, REPENT OF YOUR SINS AND BE NOT ONE OF THOSE SPOKEN OF -IN THE LAST DAYS MANY WILL SPEAK EVIL OF THEIR RULERS AND CALL GOOD BAD AND BAD GOOD.
why not make good music like Amazing grace sung of the one Messiah Jesus thanks

that is how you become true to God in life and death records too David

Answer 6

The given name JESUS was a very common name back then.... So I would not be surprised if it was mentioned on some record!

Answer 7

I don't quite get why secular people are so eager to disprove the existence of Jesus. There's a vast consensus that he did exist, the only disagreement is whether he was just a man or the son of God. By foaming at the mouth like this, you're only weakening your own position.

Answer 8

I don't doubt Jesus existed as a person. As a divine saviour though? I doubt it.

Answer 9

I heard that too... But it seems to have passed the historical Jesus people by.

Answer 10

Proof, people. We need proof.

Answer 11

This is REALLY old news! Roman records from the period mention his existence. He was a REAL PERSON. Sorry to burst your bubble.