Why do JW's believe Jesus was created, when the Bible tells us, that He is from everlasting!?

Question

Mic 5:2 "But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah, Though you are little among the thousands of Judah, Yet out of you shall come forth to Me The One to be Ruler in Israel, Whose goings forth are from of old, From everlasting."

1st and only

No mention of Him being an angel

Heb 1:1 God, who at various times and in various ways spoke in time past to the fathers by the prophets,
Heb 1:2 has in these last days spoken to us by His Son, whom He has appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the worlds;
Heb 1:3 who being the brightness of His glory and the express image of His person, and upholding all things by the word of His power, when He had by Himself purged our sins, sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high,
Heb 1:4 having become so much better than the angels, as He has by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.
Heb 1:5 For to which of the angels did He ever say: "You are My Son, Today I have begotten You"? And again: "I will be to Him a Father, And He shall be to Me a Son"?
Heb 1:6 But when He again brings the firstborn into the world, He says: "Let all the angels of God worship Him."

Lillie
The Hebrew word “owlam” means "eternity everlasting, eternal, always. It is the exact same word that defines Jehovah God in the following verse!


Genesis 21:33 And Abraham planted a grove in Beer-sheba, and called there on the name of the Lord (Jehovah), the everlasting (Owlam) God.

The ONLY way out of this predicament by the Watchtower, is to allocate a different meaning for the word "Owlam" so that it means one thing for Jehovah God, and has a separate value of meaning for Jesus Christ, as they have done with the words "Lord - Jehovah", and "worship - obeisance"

Hi Fuzzy
the Jewish prophets have declared the child who would be born in Bethlehem, whom Isaiah declared would be Jehovah God himself in a human body, who has pre-existed for all eternity past without a beginning!
Isa 9:6 For unto us a Child is born, Unto us a Son is given; And the government will be upon His shoulder. And His name will be called Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

Counselor - Holy Spirit
Everlasting Father
Prince of Peace - Jesus

Fuzzy Col 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
Col 1:16 For in him were all things created in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones, or dominations, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him and in him.
Col 1:17 And he is before all, and by him all things consist.
Col 1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church, who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he may hold the primacy:

One of the first problems you must encounter if you wish to be fair with God's word, is the fact that this scripture has nothing to do with the "birth" of Jesus, but rather, it deals with his resurrection from the dead! If you will note verse 18 says He is "the firstborn from the DEAD that in all things He may have the preeminence"

proteuo, prote-yoo'-o; from Greek 4413 (protos); to be first (in rank or influence) :- have the preeminence.
The word "preeminence" means first in rank.

Fuzzy if you put scripture in its context you will read:-
Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Joh 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.
Joh 1:3 All things were made by him: and without him was made nothing that was made.
Are you saying Jehovah had a beginning?

Fuzzy
Re 3:14 And to the angel of the church of Laodicea, write: These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, who is the beginning of the creation of God:
The beginning of the creation of God ...
Plummer pointed out that the words here bear two possible interpretations:

The two meanings are: (1) that which would make Christ the first created thing of all things God created, and (2) that which would understand Christ as the Source of all the things God created.

Plummer and many other able scholars declare the second meaning to be the one intended here. "The words mean, the one from whom creation took its beginning." The agreement with Col. 1:16 is probably intended, for the church in Laodicea received Colossians.

Ge 1:1 In the beginning God created heaven, and earth.
Ge 1:2 And the earth was void and empty, and darkness was upon the face of the deep; and the spirit of God moved over the waters.

Jesus is God

Answer 1

You need to use comparative Bible translations to get the sense of what you're quoting!

(Catholic New Jerusalem Bible)
Whose goings forth are from of old, from everlasting.

(French Louis Segond)
Et dont l'origine remonte aux temps anciens, Aux jours de l'éternité.
English translation is easily seen: "remote origin."
(American Standard Version)
whose goings forth are from of old, (2) from everlasting.(1) Or families ; See Jud 6:15. 2) Or from ancient days )

The fact that this scripture says, "whose going forth" in your own quotation implies a beginning. The other Bible translations makes this interpretation a fact!

Thus the word "beginning" combined with the word "everlasting" or "ancient days" or "remote origin" simply tells us that when scientists put the universes age at more than 10 billions of years ago, this truly to a human is an eternity ago, ancient days indeed, and a very remote origin.

Please use the scriptures correctly.

In Rev 3:14, in the KJV Bible and many others, it says this about Christ:
Rev 3:14, "These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God"

and in Col 1:15 it says this about Christ,"Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

and in 1 John 1:1 again it states that Christ was there from the beginning, in other words had a beginning since God has none: "That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life;"
These scriptures and others all agree, and since they constitute more than two witnesses, they are true.


Please read the pages about Jesus here:
http://bythebible.page.tl/

Trinity: Athanasian Creed, John 1:1
Jesus Christ His pre-human Existence

Links:
http://bythebible.page.tl/Trinity_Athanasian-Creed.htm
http://bythebible.page.tl/Trinity_John-1-d-1.htm
http://bythebible.page.tl/Jesus-Christ.htm
http://bythebible.page.tl/Jesus-h--Prehuman-Existence.htm

Answer 2

Jehovah created Jesus b4 anything else in Genesis he is called the archangel Michael,also the only begotten, Jehovah transformed his life into Mary so he was born as Jesus, he is from everlasting as his father Jehovah is everlasting and so now is Jesus in heaven with him. Jesus was there when the world was created and mankind the Genesis account confirms this. Hope this helps u understand

Answer 3

Micah 5:2 is another text into which too much is read by those believing in the trinity.According to the KJ it prophetically speaks of Jesus as the one "whose goings forth have been from of old,from everlasting".Because only Jehovah is from everlasting it is agrued that Jesus is Jehovah God.The Hebrew word here rendered "everlasting",is olam,and simply means an indefinte period of time.It is used at Numbers 25:13 to apply to the Levitical priesthood,which did last for an indefinite period of time,coming to its end more than 1900 years ago.Other translations of Micah 5:2 therefore read :"Whose origin is from of old,from ancient days."(RS)"Whose origin is from early times,from the days of time indefinite."(NW)
Col1:15 plainly states:"He is the image of the invisible God,the firstborn of all creation."and at Rev.3:14 Jesus refers to himself as "the beginning of the creation by God."

Answer 4

believe what you must.... but............

Jesus is the Son of God

I know it will take a miracle for you to believe it but in time you will.

Just like the Roman soldiers. They never believed that Jesus was the Son of God. Yet, after the death of Christ an earthquake happened. It was so strong it broke rocks in half!

Matthew 27: 54 (New International Version Bible) "When the centurion and those with him who were guarding Jesus, saw the earthquake and all that happened, they were terrified and exclaimed, "Surely, he was the Son of God."

What will it take for you to believe that Jesus is not God but he is the SON OF GOD?

Answer 5

Jesus has certainly been in existence for unknown aeons of time, but Micah 5:2 offers no support for the trinitarian idea that Jesus is without beginning.

Alternate translations of Micah 5:2 read similar to:
“And you, O Bethlehem... from you there will come out to me the one who is to become ruler in Israel, whose origin is from early times, from the days of time indefinite."

The Hebrew term translated as "everlasting" or "of time indefinite" is from a word meaning "concealed" or "unimaginable":
עלם עולם
‛ôlâm ‛ôlâm
o-lawm', o-lawm'

This same Hebrew term is used in the bible to describe hills, and few bible scholars would pretend that hills are without beginning.

(Gen 49:26, KJV) The blessings of thy father have prevailed above the blessings of my progenitors unto the utmost bound of the everlasting hills
(Genesis 49:26, NWT) The blessings of your father will indeed be superior to the blessings of the eternal mountains, to the ornament of the indefinitely lasting hills


Interestingly, only Jehovah the Father (and never Jesus the Son) is referred to as "the King Eternal" or "the King of Eternity", indicating that only Jehovah is without beginning.

(1 Timothy 1:17, KJV) Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God
(1 Timothy 1:17, NWT) Now to the King of eternity, incorruptible, invisible, the only God


The bible plainly shows that Jesus the Son is *NOT* the same person as Jehovah the Father, and there is certainly no need to dishonestly pretend that certain Hebrew terms mean something which they plainly do not.

(1 Corinthians 15:28) But when all things will have been subjected to him, then the Son himself will also subject himself to the One who subjected all things to him

(1 Corinthians 11:3) I want you to know that the head of every man is the Christ; ...in turn the head of the Christ is God

(John 20:17) I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God.

(Deuteronomy 6:4) Jehovah our God is one Jehovah

(1 Corinthians 8:4-6) There is no God but one. For even though there are those who are called "gods," whether in heaven or on earth, just as there are many "gods" and many "lords," there is actually to us one God the Father, out of whom all things are, and we for him

Thanks again for an opportunity to share what the bible actually says about the distinct persons of Jesus Christ the Son and Jehovah God the Father!

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Answer 6

he was created.Joseph and Mary were his unmarried parents.she was 13 yrs old.he grew up to be a carpenter just like his dad.no fairy tales their.I'm atheist.