The Bible says Ishmael has full status as the first son of Abraham ?

Question

When Christians say that Ishmael was the son that came by mistake or the son that came through a bondswoman so he is not legitimate do they try to deny his legitimacy ?

Would any man of sound moral character deny he fathered a child to get out of making payments of support ?

Not unless the descendants of the second son wanted to write it out later so they could claim to be the sole heir.

The bible calls Hagar the WIFE of Abraham and repeatedly calls Ishmael HIS SON.

Are Christians implying that God does not control all things including the birth of a son to Abraham ?

Or are they implying something more racist or hateful ?

Is this the root source of animosity in the middle East….. a racist attitude of superiority ?

If the two sons of Isaac (Jacob/Esau) according to the bible - can have so much jealousy, hatred, bloodshed and use so much deception to steal away the rights of the first born then who says they cant write their own version into the bible ?

This would explain the contradictions in the story about Ishmael teasing Isaac when in reality Ishmael was sent to Arabia when he was an infant.

Islam does not subscribe to any of the racist stories concerning Sarah, Isaac or Ishmael and Hagar.

Islam states that BOTH sons were to be given a covenant with God to make the Lord known to mankind.

JUDAISM IS THE COVENANT GIVEN TO ISAAC.

ISLAM IS THE COVENANT GIVEN TO ISHMAEL.


PAULS VERSION OF “Jesus the Gentile” :

Genesis 017:009-10 ---Then God said to Abraham, "As for you, you must keep my covenant, you and your descendants after you for the generations to come.
This is my covenant with you and your descendants after you, the covenant you are to keep: Every male among you shall be circumcised.

Galatians 05:002 ---- Mark my words! I, Paul, tell you that if you let yourselves be circumcised, Christ will be of no value to you at all.

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1-----After Abraham had lived ten years in the land of Canaan, Abram's wife Sarai took Hagar the Egyptian, her maid, and gave her to her husband Abram as HIS WIFE. -- GENESIS 16:3

2------So Hagar bore Abram a son; and Abram called the name of HIS SON, whom Hagar bore, ISHMAEL. - GENESIS 16:15

3 ------And his sons Isaac and Ishmael buried him in the cave of Machpelah, in the field of Ephron the son of Zohar the Hittite, which [is] before Mamre; -- Gen 25:09

4 ------ Now these [are] the generations of Ishmael, Abraham's son, whom Hagar the Egyptian, Sarah's handmaid, bare unto Abraham: --- Gen 25:12

5 ------- And these [are] the names of the sons of Ishmael, by their names, according to their generations: the firstborn of Ishmael, Nebajoth; and Kedar, and Adbeel, and Mibsam ----- Gen 25:13



“And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a branch shall grow out his roots. And the Spirit of the Lord shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge, and of the fear of the Lord.”--- Isaiah 11:1-2

According to Encyclopedia Biblica, we read: “Jesse is contracted from Ishmael”. (Cheyene , Encyclopedia Biblica under “names”)


Let the desert and its towns lift up their voice, the villages that Kedar inhabits; let the inhabitants of Sela sing for joy, let them shout from the tops of the mountains. 12 Let them give glory to the Lord, and declare his praise in the coastlands. --- (Isaiah 42:11).

Ishmael dwelt in the wilderness of “Paran”(Gen.21:21) He beget twelve sons one of whom was named “Kedar”. (Gen.25:13)



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Answer 1

" God also said to Abraham, "As for Sarai your wife, you are no longer to call her Sarai; her name will be Sarah. I will bless her and will surely give you a son by her. I will bless her so that she will be the mother of nations; kings of peoples will come from her."
Abraham fell facedown; he laughed and said to himself, "Will a son be born to a man a hundred years old? Will Sarah bear a child at the age of ninety?" And Abraham said to God, "If only Ishmael might live under your blessing!"
Then God said, "Yes, but your wife Sarah will bear you a son, and you will call him Isaac. I will establish my covenant with him as an everlasting covenant for his descendants after him. And as for Ishmael, I have heard you: I will surely bless him; I will make him fruitful and will greatly increase his numbers. He will be the father of twelve rulers, and I will make him into a great nation. But my covenant I will establish with Isaac, whom Sarah will bear to you by this time next year."
(Genesis 17:15-21)

"But Sarah saw that the son whom Hagar the Egyptian had borne to Abraham was mocking, and she said to Abraham, "Get rid of that slave woman and her son, for that slave woman's son will never share in the inheritance with my son Isaac."
The matter distressed Abraham greatly because it concerned his son. But God said to him, "Do not be so distressed about the boy and your maidservant. Listen to whatever Sarah tells you, because it is through Isaac that your offspring will be reckoned. I will make the son of the maidservant into a nation also, because he is your offspring."

Early the next morning Abraham took some food and a skin of water and gave them to Hagar. He set them on her shoulders and then sent her off with the boy. She went on her way and wandered in the desert of Beersheba.
When the water in the skin was gone, she put the boy under one of the bushes. Then she went off and sat down nearby, about a bowshot away, for she thought, "I cannot watch the boy die." And as she sat there nearby, she began to sob.
God heard the boy crying, and the angel of God called to Hagar from heaven and said to her, "What is the matter, Hagar? Do not be afraid; God has heard the boy crying as he lies there. Lift the boy up and take him by the hand, for I will make him into a great nation."
Then God opened her eyes and she saw a well of water. So she went and filled the skin with water and gave the boy a drink.
God was with the boy as he grew up. He lived in the desert and became an archer. While he was living in the Desert of Paran, his mother got a wife for him from Egypt."
(Genesis 21:9-21)

" Some time later God tested Abraham. He said to him, "Abraham!"
"Here I am," he replied.
Then God said, "Take your son, YOUR ONLY SON, Isaac, whom you love, and go to the region of Moriah. Sacrifice him there as a burnt offering on one of the mountains I will tell you about."
Early the next morning Abraham got up and saddled his donkey. He took with him two of his servants and his son Isaac. When he had cut enough wood for the burnt offering, he set out for the place God had told him about."
Genesis 22:1-3

God calls Isaac Abraham's son: "your only son"
therefore, Isaac is reckoned as firstborn and heir of the promises of God.

Answer 2

It's jewish History not written by Christians. Ishmael was not a mistake.

Ishmael was born through intervention by man, Isaac was born supernaturally by God.
It seems therefore that even though Ishmael does not carry on Abraham's mission he can't help but be great. He's blessed. By the way, the Bible says specifically that Ishmael is going to be great and that he's going to be at odds with the rest of the civilized world. God did care for Ishmael.

"You shall call his name Ishmael ... And he will be a wild man; his hand will be against every man, and every man's hand against him; and he shall live in the presence of all his brothers. (Genesis 16:11-12)

When it is clear that Ishmael will not carry on the mission, God tells Abraham, who is then 99, that Sarah, who is 90, is going to become pregnant. And this is how Isaac is born, supernaturally.

"Your wife Sarah will bear you a son, and you will name him Isaac. I will establish My covenant with him as an eternal covenant to his descendants after him. And as for Ishmael ... I have bless him and I will make him fruitful and will increase him exceedingly. He will become the father of twelve princes and I will make him into a great nation. But I will establish My covenant with Isaac who Sarah will bear to you at this time next year." (Genesis 17:19-21)

So Isaac is the person who will carry on the mission of Abraham, the mission of the Jews.

Answer 3

Abraham had a promise to receive a son. But he got impatient, and on Sarah's suggestion tried to get a child through her hand-maiden Hagar.

Abraham did want Ishmael blessed, and God did say he would have numerous descendants, but that Abraham's line (and ultimate significance spiritually) would be reckoned through Isaac.
Genesis 17:20-21.

This is because faith is about trust. The child of promise was to come through his original wife. Getting into impatience is not pleasing to God. He does things the impossible way when men trust.

Abraham failed in his faith at other times - like in Egypt he didn't trust God, as he was scared of Pharoah, and passed off Sarah as his sister. God had told him to stay in Canaan, and walk to and fro there.

He had free will, so made mistakes. But he grew in faith.

Jesse was a Jew of the tribe of Judah (as David was), whose youngest son was David. The 'Son of David' is a messianic title. The stem of Jesse just means from the royal line of David.

Jesus was anointed with the Holy Spirit in fulfilment of the quoted Isaiah 11 passage and other messianic prophecies - see Luke 4:14-21. Mohammed never had the Holy Spirit on or in him, and seems to have thought the holy spirit was a human, possibly himself - this a basic mistake a 1 day old born-again christian would not make. There are many references to the Holy Spirit and His actions in the New Testament at that time and in church history.

Answer 4

The covenant was made with Abraham that the promised seed that would save all mankind(Jesus Christ the Messiah, Son of God) would come through him, through Isaac, his son. God also made a covenant that Ishmael would become a great nation, which he did. Both covenants were fulfilled, but the Messiah was to come through Isaac. Romans 9:7, Genesis 17:18,19.

Answer 5

NOTE: Once Ishmael and Hagar are cast out of the tribe of Abraham the Bible only refers to ABRAHAM, ISAAC and JACOB as the lineage.

Yes, Ishmael may have been Abraham's first son, but he was not Sarah's son and Ishmael was born out of DISOBEDIENCE and SIN as Sarah could not wait upon the Lord for His promise to bear a child, and she pressured her husband to lie with Hagar, her servant. Abraham's sin was that he obeyed his wife instead of His Lord.

God straightens this mess out and eventually refers to Isaac as Abraham's "Only son."

Ishmael may have been Abraham's first son, but he was not God's INTENDED to receive the blessings bestowed upon Abraham and his family. The intended child was to come from SARAH and Abraham.

Ishmael was still blessed with many nations. He just wasn't blessed with the nations God had intended for Isaac. Ishmael's lineage, instead, produced the nations of Islam. Hmmmm...

And thus is where the battle began and is still being fought. The nations of Islam were born from the lineage of Ishmael and the nations of Israel were born from the lineage of Abraham, ISAAC and Jacob.

To this day, Ishmael's line is slaughtering people with the same "Fighting spirit" that Ishmael was born with to regain the birthright they feel they lost to Issac.

The problem is that Ishmael never lost anything. One can not lose something that wasn't INTENDED FOR HIM IN THE FIRST PLACE.

Islam and Israel (TWO BROTHERS FIGHTING FOR THEIR INHERITANCE). That is what it's all about.

Answer 6

Isaac is the heir of the promises God made with Abraham:
Paul writes to Christians:
"Now you, brothers, like Isaac, are children of promise. At that time the son born in the ordinary way persecuted the son born by the power of the Spirit. It is the same now. But what does the Scripture say? "Get rid of the slave woman and her son, for the slave woman's son will never share in the inheritance with the free woman's son."Therefore, brothers, we are not children of the slave woman, but of the free woman."
Galatians 4:28-31

As for your quote from the Apostle Paul, you slanderously infer he was writing to Jews to disobey God, when in fact he was writing to Gentile believers warning them if they became circumcised as an initiation into Judaism that they would then be under obligation to keep all the Law of Moses and therefore be fallen away from Christ.

Answer 7

The directive was from Jehovah, Abraham’s God. Genesis 21:18 and Galatians 4:30 says the same.
But in Galatians 4:31 gives us the reason for it from Jehovah’s point of view.

Answer 8

No one denies that Ismael is Abraham's son. No one denies that the Arabs through Ismael were not blessed by God.

We merely stated that the blessing was to be upon Isaac.

That was God's will. Ismael came into being by Sarah and Abraham disobeying Him and taking matters into their own hands instead of waiting for the promise that God gave them about their heir.

The definition of wife can be a wedded wife, a spouse or a consort (partner or companion).

Answer 9

The question that most of us ask now, arose before during the time of Muhammad s.a.w; preaching the words of God onto Arabia. Was Muhammad mentioned? This was the question by inhabitants of Arabia towards Jews that embraced Islam. And if we refer to the claim by past Jewish converts, they had quote verses from Isaiah 42.

In passages of Isaiah. God address His chosen servants with their names, and in the prophesied verse we see God mention clearly the prophet’s name. **Some examples of God mentioning His servant by name.
(My Servant Isaiah, My Servant Eliakim, David My Servant, Jacob My Servant, My Servant Israel, and so in Isaiah 42:1 , God specifically mention My Servant Ahmad)

In Isaiah 42:1, it is deemed not a coincidence upon seeing the writing of both אתמך (Atmc) אחמד (Ahmd). And the word before אתמך (Atmc), is עבדי (Abdi~My Servant). For indeed, it is indicating Ahmad; Abdullah (Ahmad; Servant of God).

**Not to mention אתמך (Atmc) happen to be a special term foretelling the coming of a righteous man and is used only ONCE throughout the entire Book. [could this be a copying error or an intended error?]

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The prophecy Isaiah (42:1–17) tells about Ahmad; ‘Servant of God’ whom will war to correct the wrongs and bringing judgement based on the law of God. He will liberate act of worshiping molten images and thus Arabia (wilderness desert, villages and cities) will glorify God since then. **As can be seen today, Arabia are worshiping,praising God and singing words of God daily. Inhabitants from all around the world gather there and voice out loud their praise to God.

And we continue reading Isaiah (42:18–25); God remind the ‘blind and deaf’ about the wrath of God towards Children of Israel, whom neglect the message brought by past Servant of God.

And not to repeat; the same mistake upon the coming of the new Servant of God

Answer 10

1 John 4:20 Ishmael and Isaac are brothers. If anyone says, " I Love God" and hates his brother, he is a liar. For anyone who does not love his brother, whom he has seen, cannot love God, whom he has not seen. And he has given us this command: Whoever loves God must also love his brother.

Ishmael is not the baby that God promised to Sarah and in Sarah's inpatients and shame of being baron, She gave her maid servant to Abraham. The blessed child was to be of Sarah and not Hagar. To give in to God's authority and not be the first born rights to Abraham's blessing was decided by God not man. God still in his mercy gave a blessing to Hagar and Ishmael for It was unfair the hardship they suffered in being cast out from among them. One is out to destroy the other and is hating the brother, therefore not of God.
Romans 9:15 For He says to Moses, " I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion."
God has sovereign right to bless,mercy and compassion on whom God chooses.