Should Muslims consider it hate speech when Christians say Ishmael was not planned by God ?

Question

Are they implying that God does not control all things including the birth of a son to Abraham ?

Or are they implying something very racist or hateful ?

Islam does not subscribe to any of the racist stories concerning Sarah, Isaac or Ishmael and Hagar.

Islam states that BOTH sons were to be given a covenant with God to make the Lord known to mankind.

Judaism is the covenant given to Isaac.

Islam is the covenant given to Ishmael.

PAUL cut off the Christians from the Covenant :

Genesis 017:009-10 ---Then God said to Abraham, "As for you, you must keep my covenant, you and your descendants after you for the generations to come.
This is my covenant with you and your descendants after you, the covenant you are to keep: Every male among you shall be circumcised.

Galatians 05:002 ---- Mark my words! I, Paul, tell you that if you let yourselves be circumcised, Christ will be of no value to you at all.

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Answer 1

Not only should Muslims, but so should Christians.

Remember the Jews and Romans crucified Christ.

But, decendants of Ismael (the Copts, Palestinians, Assyrians) were the first believers and followers of Christ.

Christians bashing Ismael = Christians bashing the first believers in Christ... IRONY

Answer 2

God knew Ishmael was going to be the first son born through Abraham's seed. This still does not make Ishmael the son of promise. The Messiah still came through Isaac not Ishmael. Isaac was the son of promise. Ishmael did receive a promise from God. Genesis 17:20 Behold, I have blessed him (Ishmael) and will make him fruitful and will multiply him exceedingly. He shall beget twelve princes and I will make him a great nation. (This blessing was given at the request of his father Abraham.) Verse 21 then goes on to state that the forementioned everlasting covenant will be established with Isaac alone, whom Sarah would give birth to the next year. This is when Ishmael was 13 and still living the Abraham and Sarah.

Answer 3

There was no covenant for Ishmael. There was the blessing alone.
Genesis 17:20
And as for Ishmael, I have heard thee: Behold, I have blessed him, and will make him fruitful, and will multiply him exceedingly; twelve princes shall he beget, and I will make him a great nation.
This has happened.
Galations 5:2 is slightly out of context. Paul is saying that if you rely on circumsicion for your salvation youmust obey the entire law. Which of course you cannot do. It is through Christ alone that we are now saved. The law is no longer needed meaning circumsision is no longer a requirement to take part in the covenant that God made with Abraham.
Galatians 3:8And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.
As for saying that Ishmael was unplanned by God I have never heard anyone say that and anyone who does is incorrect. He knew Ishmael would be born and he knew you were going to ask this question. So it is not hate speech it is probably caused by a disease called footinmouth syndrome.

Answer 4

I am a Christian and I believe that the Bible's words have been twisted in this situation. I also believe that Isaac is the son who God chose to fulfill his promise to Abraham. If that offends Muslims, then I'm sorry - it's not me who decided this - it's God. I also believe however, that God had a plan for Ishmael as well and that because he is the son of Abraham, with whom God favored, the descendants of Ishmael are also favored by God to some degree. The Bible does mention however, that the descendants of Ishmael and those of Isaac will always be at odds with one another, and this is further proof of the accuracy of the Bible because Muslims and Jews have a history of hostilities with one another.

Answer 5

Well, that's not stating the truth, God knows what came before us and what will come after, He knows the hidden, he is beyond anyone imagination. If that was true then he would contridict himself and God is way above human mistakes.

I would say its inaccurate.

As for Islam as being new, its the old religion, the only religion of man. Hence all the Prophet called to the worship of one God and their Prophethood in that time. So we believe in all the Prophets mentioned in the bible including David.

The term Judaism came from the tribe they all belonged to, not a name that was in their text and likewise the Christan's. Which is a name that comes from Latin to mean anointed, how can this be when he was called the Messiah in his lifetime, which also means anointed which comes from Hebrew.

So all the religions where preaching Islam, to prove this the prophet Abraham built the Kaaba, then he prayed for the inhabitants of that city where the Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) was born.

Islam is the religion that names comes the text of the Quran and from what they called themselves. Not from what they became to be known as.

So thats the king James version of the Bible that you reading not the original revelation, is that right?

One the amazing miracles of the Quran is that its original relevation is protected, how? Any and all Muslims can read the Quran in the language of its revelation, even down to the orginal photentics, its been protected, no one else can say that. 1400 years and it still as it was then, as it will be until the end of time, inshallah.

Answer 6

Speech is speech. It's free. It can be true, misleading, or untrue, but "hate speech?" I suppose if someone said they hated you, that could be considered hateful speech.

I also suppose there must be affection speech, indifference speech, joyful speech, sad speech, offensive speech, kind speech . . . . etc.

So what? What kind of speech is this, "PAUL cut off the Christians from the Covenant :"? By your definition it is hate speech. I consider it possibly angry, possibly offensive, possibly mean-spirited, possibly ignorant speech.

Regardless of the kind of speech, it appears to be your opinion . . . well actually, your belief. Since it is your belief, it is not subject to rational arguments anyway. It is not as though you were trying to decide between a glass of milk or a glass of water.

Slandering other religions is not condoned in Christianity, Islam, or Judaism. Condoning other religions or encouraging them; however, is a different story.

Many people will attack your faith, regardless of what it is, that is human nature. They may call themselves Christian, Jew, Muslim, Buddhist, atheist, or anything else, that does not make it so.

There are many liars on the earth. They even attempt to lie to themselves. I accept this fact.

As a Christian, I accept the fact that Muslims exist. I don't hate you. I may disagree with you, but I cannot hate you. All of the laws, rules, morals, etc. ever sent by God fall under these three:

Love God with all your strength, heart, soul, and mind.
Love your neighbor as yourself (that would include you my friend).
Love one-another as Jesus loved us.

May your blessings never end. May you come to know the full and complete truth, without interference from mankind. May you never harm another human being.

May God bless you.

Answer 7

haha you just made my day!
knowing that you christian ,understand we have the same one God
edited;yes,you christians have never heard of it,because this person is a lier and messing with the words of God!
shame on you



“He is Allaah, the Creator [al-Khaaliq], the Inventor of all things, the Bestower of forms. To Him belong the Best Names. All that is in the heavens and the earth glorify Him. And He is the All‑Mighty, the All‑Wise”

[al-Hashr 59:34]

“Verily, your Lord is the All‑Knowing Creator [al-Khallaaq]”

[al-Hijr 15:86]

“Allaah is the Creator of all things, and He is the Wakeel (Trustee, Disposer of affairs, Guardian) over all things”

[al-Zumar 39:62]

Answer 8

Any established religion that promotes itself above others AUTOMATICALLY is putting down another group, groups or individuals who do not believe the same thing the same way. You think "Gods chosen people " believe they are equal to anyone else? NO! They are chosen by God. Therefore better than everyone. Christians believe if you don't believe their way, you are going to hell. therefore, not as good as they are. Muslims believe it is wrong to lie to people, but it is OK to lie to infidels, and both Christians and Muslims have it in their religion clauses to kill people that don't agree with them.
Pretty much, with all that love thy neighbor stuff, They all think they are better than somebody.
Why do you think most wars happen in the name of a diety, and not in the name of Brotherly love? I can't recall a war with that as its battle cry.

Answer 9

Hmmm, I am Christian and I have never heard that, that is not nice. Everything was planed by God, and Muslims have a right to be here just like anybody else.

Answer 10

Yes, taking Paul out of context is pretty lame. I don't think you would want Christians doing that from the Quran. I really, really don't.

Let's keep it legit please.

JoMo