Bible Propehecy 1 . Micah 5:2, "But as for you, Bethlehem Ephrathah, Too little to be among the clans of Judah

Question

From you One will go forth for Me to be ruler in Israel. His goings forth are from long ago, From the days of eternity."
Christians claim that this verse predicted that Jesus would be born in Bethlehem. But does it say that? First, look at whom this verse is talking about. Look at the CONTEXT, like you guys normally say. We find more about this ruler in verses 5 and 6,
This One will be our peace. When the Assyrian invades our land..And when he tramples our territory.

Read the whole verse. Micah wrote during the time of Assyrian dominance, and writes of somebody who will conquer Assyria. Does this sound like a description of Jesus? Did Jesus deliver "from the Assyrian?" No? So apparently the man spoken of in Micah 5--the one that was to come out of Bethlehem and defeat Assryia-- is not even Jesus.
This verse Cant be taken figuratively either, like Jesus symbolically defeated the Assyrian tyranny. If thats the claim, many others fit the bill too.

So much for the Prophecy?

Answer 1

When one's mind is pre-set about certain things, then, its difficult to change the belief that follows with it.
The Christians' Minds are preset that all prophecies told in the OT are pointing to Jesus. No matter how hard one tries to explain the Logic behind, the Mind just simply refuses to accept, Unless, Almighty God intervenes and shows them the Light.

Answer 2

According to this verse Jesus was created in heaven along time ago that is why he is the firstson of God (Colossians 1:15-17) the rest of the sons of God were created later (Job 1:6, 2:1 and 38:4-7)

Answer 3

It is Jesus. It took me a bit to understand what you were saying, and I searched around to make sure that I was getting it right, but Jesus is to return-- something that certain Jews didn't understand about Jesus. Yet there he is in the scriptures. Ezekiel 38, 39, and Zechariah 14. So yes, He will conquer, but you also miss the Gap is Isaiah 61; the day of vengeance has not yet happened, but the acceptable day has.

It's not surprising that you make your understanding known to be out of focus. Those that did not see Jesus as the Christ are likely to make that mistake.

Answer 4

You don't have any Assyrians in your life? I wish to God for you that you did, because you would see the power of faith in Jesus Christ at work.

All of the prophecies can be applied to other situations and people and events. But over 300 prophecies don't apply to any one of them. They do to Jesus.

Answer 5

yatsa' mashal is the Hebrew for "[yet] out of thee shall he come forth unto me [that is] to be ruler" as in KJV.

yatsa' is imperfect tense and mashal is active participle. It looks like "was still ruling or reigning."

qedem means "of old" or "from the east" but 'owlam can also mean "everlasting." "From long ago, from the days of eternity" could extend in both directions.

Answer 6

Prophecy always seemed to me to be some ancient shaking his fist and saying, "God's gonna get you!"

Answer 7

you left out in the Verse that he wold come from eternity. meaning he is God-eternal. Jesus manifested as the Lord of Hosts to fight in battles-and the ultimate is my Jewish messiah yeshua/Jesus is my best friend now-and

you have no blood sacrifice for your sins as Moses commanded Leviticus 17:11
you have no Messiah from eternity
you have no best friend in a Messiah
you have a promise of a Messiah and a command for a blood sacrifice-yet you have niether-Messianic Jews have both.
I have heard Jewish people say even if you prove Jesus is the Messiah I still wont belive in him.
well Mohamad took some of Jesus teachings -he missed the new birth and love even your enemy as yourself-he had his own issues with sex his wife he took at 40 years old Aisha was only 9 years old-when Jesus said one man to one woman-and grace too-pray for these people please--good info to know- thanks
and For anyone who is a trolling pedophile you can report them to http://www.cybertipline.com/ and the police will shut them down this is some good info to know too=yet blinded spiritual people by religion or lust have trouble seeing those areas=grace=
sex is pushed today alot out of marriage and more-then again I let Jesus into my heart so that covered that.
this helped me see the light Marriage commitment and care-it has offspring-and sex is part of that-Jesus had toilet paper invented for cleaning the rectum-and marriage for the joy of sex, the thing i think is it is up to each to make their own choice
this is what helped free me from Romans 1-addicted to unthankfulness and worshiping the created rather than the creator-set free in I Corinthians 6:9-13 and homosexuals/effeminate and such were some of you but you have been cleansed by the blood of Jesus.

this helped me =In Jesus we are perfect-at the same time-we will fail at times yet in repenting and forsaking the sin letting Jesus help us do better-he perfects us.
please pray for my Jewish people to find perfection too=his crime 'love' yes every time we hate him or anyone its death-Jesus said to hate is to commit murder in ones mind. "He will be dispised and rejected by our Jewish people. All we like sheep have gone astray and the Lord will make to light on him the iniquity of us all." Isaiah 53 predicted
the Torah is the first 5 books of Moses in the Jewish Scriptures also in the bible Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers & Deuteronomy--Isaiah is in the prophetic books in the middle section of Jewish Scriptures and then the writings.

that is the start and the way to the Messiah as I quote from it too=some yes maybe -it was said that the other way around too--anyone can believe as the desire-hate helps wrong belief-I was taught as a Jew that Jesus was a liar and deciever and to have nothing to do with him -now he is my Messiah and best friend.
and about life and death in truth for my Jewish and all people
=Kadesh is what you are refering to-and it is chanted as many of the Psalms are also and they are considered songs-and about the depth of this-and about Muslims that claim that the messiah came to earth born a miracle of a virgin as predicted to be God with us/emanuel (Isaiah 7:14) yet reject his salvation in order to think they can earn heaven.

Kadesh="Glorified and sanctified be God's great name throughout the world which He has created according to His will. May He establish His kingdom in your lifetime and during your days, and within the life of the entire House of Israel, speedily and soon; and say, Amen. JESUS SAID THE KINGDOM OF GOD WILL BE WITHIN YOU. TRUELY THE MESSIAH TAUGHT TRUTH.

May His great name be blessed forever and to all eternity.

Blessed and praised, glorified and exalted, extolled and honored, adored and lauded be the name of the Holy One, blessed be He, beyond all the blessings and hymns, praises and consolations that are ever spoken in the world; and say, Amen.

May there be abundant peace from heaven, and life, for us
and for all Israel; and say, Amen. ACKNOWLEDGEMENT OF HEAVEN YET LEAVES OUT HELL AND THE MESSIAH TOO. HE SAID "i AM THE WAY THE TRUTH AND THE Life, no one cometh unto heaven but by me." John 14:6

He who creates peace in His celestial heights, may He create peace for us and for all Israel; and say, Amen." FIND ME A PERSON WITH THE MESSIAH JESUS IN THEIR HEART AND I WILL SHOW YOU A PERSON WITH INNER PEACE AND AWAITING THE PRINCE OF PEACE BODILY.

if you see this -we dont just die=Daniel 12:2 Those that have died, shall arise some to everlasting life and some to abhorance forever.

bear with me and you will understand this issue=

you cannot convert to Judaism without coming to the Jewish Messiah Yeshua/ Jesus
Judaism today is ichabod-we lost the temple and those that had the blood atonement in Messiah Jesus continued on in true Judaism -the others made new religions calling them orthodox conservative or whatever Judaism only Messianic Judaism believes Moses and the prophets
Moses said "Without the shedding of blood there is no atonement for sins." Leviticus 17:11

so rejecting truth they for the most part rejected hell too-if you could earn salvation-erase sins-even one lie-we never would have needed a blood sacrifice for sins-if you die rejecting the Messiah you go to hell-he died as promised for our sins-so its not about sins its about salvation at the point of death. He taught more about hell too Revelation 1:1 & chapters 19-22 where he describes hell as gnashing teeth torment forever & weeping for rejecting his salvation and heaven as he describes here too in joy and peace.

the Messiah is my best friend-and savior and I dont fear death anymore -I welcome it -helping others to the Messiah till then-I have had my life threatened by both Jewish & Muslims -one put gun to my head and said if i say another word about Jesus they would blow my head off- I said you cant even pull the trigger unless the Messiah Jesus lets you-and he put the gun away..

they say we dont missionize-yet Jonah went to the gentiles and brought them to God.

Isaiah 9:6 promised "Unto us will be born a child, a son will be given and he will be the almighty God and the prince of peace."

Isaiah 52:13-53:12 He will be exalted. He will be despised and rejected and lay down his life as a lamb to make atonement for our sins.

and try where the Bible is taught and believed there they receive the Messiah Jesus into their heart as he asks us to do Revelation 1:1 &3:19&20 otherwise you miss the joy of salvation and knowing the Messiah personally as a best friend as we do in Messianic Judaism.

very good question too, thanks David
Messiah Jesus came for a reason, but also the creation of the world "By Jesus doth all things consist" Colosians , and the Jewish people to bring the Messiah and the Jewish Scriptures by Moses,
the Jewish and also new testament written by all Jewish people too these books were found intact as Isaiah was too in the dead sea scroll finding-once it was said Isaiah was 2 or 3 persons that wrote his book-why would Isaiah and mOses lie
-Moses couldnt enter the promised land because of his sin. Messiah Jesus born and died there to forgive our sins

my own mom Jewish told me that Jesus was a deciever and liar and to have nothing to do with him. pray for her please (Molly) I dearly love her-she said when I came to believe -if you dont denounce him I am having a funeral for you and you are out of the family will- I told her I cant take Messiah Jesus out of my heart even if I wanted to, He said "Once you are saved, I will never leave thee nor foraske thee" Hebrews 13

then I reconciled with my mother Jesus made me bite my pride and ask forgiveness for my rebellion against her growing up and offered her all I had should she need it-I am still out of the family will-but what is money? lol from a past religious-when that didnt satisfy then greed and lust person once it was my god-and my mom and me are best friends.

for each that believes-he said "If they hate me they will hate you too" this does not relate to Sunnis and Shi' Shiite Muslims blowing up each others Mosques since the Golden Mosque January 2006 blow up and dragging each others spiritual leaders in revenge out into the street and murdering them
& Messiah's crime? He fulfilled the prophecy and said "No man taketh my life from me, I lay it down that you may believe."
thanks again for your question, a friend to all mankind