is belief in god irrational?

Question

i am not talking about belief in the bible, or belief in a specific god or deity. but belief in the notion of god. the energy that is present in all of us that can neither be created nor destroyed. the confluence of pattern and system and similarity like a template over the universe seems to elude to something intrinsically beautiful that could rationally be explained through science and deity.
are science and god mutually exclusive?
given that we are comprised mostly of absolutely nothing but empty space, what is the glue of our structure?
this is not something that god can explain, nor science at present, but is it perhaps rational to think there is a unifying force, (not a punitive, humanistic, vindictive god per se) but a thing that is not irrational that exists through us all holding us together as part and parcel of "an elegant universe."
i am not saying i know god, or that there is proof, or that there is not, but you cannot prove the impetus behind a nothing substance, space.

Answer 1

I think that there has to be some designer. Weather they/he/she/it is god or aliens, I do not know. But something had to put it together!

Answer 2

No, I don't think its irrational or rational. There is a great deal of scholarly study on people's need to believe in a higher power, even done by known atheists.

I know I have said this before, but I think that when people see I am a Christian they just expect that what I say is coming from my beliefs. I am not your typical Christian and those who have taken time to talk to me know that. I hold science in high regard and am a student of psychology, sociology and history. I am amazed by the things that science has discovered. I don't think I am the only Christian who is like me...well, I know I am not, lol.

The thing is...and its NOTHING about atheists abilities or intelligence...I have ran into some fantastic ones here...but unless you take time to understand the full concept of FAITH...there is no way to explain belief to you or why we do not need proof. I understand the frustration of wanting proof...I am a horrible cynic and skeptic. I put down conspiracy theories all the time with the same words...prove it, lol.

But Faith is far beyond what you can put into simple words. Its not moved by what some may see as contrary evidence even when we believe the evidence, it does not destroy the Faith.

That...to some is irrational...and I understand that it is to them...but its not to me. I am going to love you no matter what you say, what you do, what you believe...because that is what I believe I am supposed to do. I am not going to sit in judgment of anything you do, or your lifestyle or anything else, because that is not my place. Irrational...maybe, but if we all did that...whether from a belief or because we think its a good thing...peace becomes rational and possible.

The Ol' Hippie Jesus Freak
Grace and Peace
Peg

Answer 3

well it's not irrational to believe in god, as science has yet to prove alot but and a big BUT here to give up your life and to take the lives of others in such a notion is far far far from rational, the whole problem with reliegion is the same problem with racism INTOLERANCE, to blindly flollow and carry out dark deeds in the name of a god is,


THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH BELIEVING, ONLY WHAT YOU DO WITH YOUR BELIEFS CAN BE WRONG.

this is why we need a bigger seperation between church and state they just passed an anti abortion law that WILL KILL
MOTHERS, and require that even if they miscarry they have to go through with the birth, which could possibaly kill the mother , this is sickining and deplorable i understand thier beliefs and respect them but killing the mother as well just makes them hypocrites , thier beliefs are misused here ,


I ALSO BELIEVE GOD AND SCIENCE ARE ACTUALLY KIND OF CLOSE like yen and yang what doesnt fit into science fits into god and vise versa , they will always need each other and neither could survive with out the other
like love hate or white black

Answer 4

Cool thoughts. A belief in God can be irrational at times, but there are rational answers to each of the points you have so intelligently made.

Some of the deeper doctrines of my religion (LDS) lead me to suppose that all matter has intelligence. This is the "glue that binds". All intelligence (like you said) is eternal.... neither created nor destroyed. God is said to be "without beginning or end" and "from eternity to eternity"....

Over time, intelligences collected into the form of God. God progressed to become a being capable of rational thought. He is "God" to us, because he guided the tiny particles of eternal intelligence to become who we are. He helps other intelligences to advance, as He did.

Like an artist gets materials that already exist, to "create" their artwork, so also God creates the universe. The whole point of His creation is to organise the unformed matter/intelligences into a more evolved form. God is good. We revere Him because he shares his knowledge and power with anyone who can accept it.... and he shares as much of it as he can.

What do you think?

Answer 5

as properly your non-particular rantfest, your theological argument against concept in God is geography and upbringing, ultimate? There an predicted 2 billion human beings interior the worldwide who evaluate themselves Christian. I understand there is particularly some nominalism in there yet no remember, we are conversing professions of religion and faith right here. you will locate Christians basically approximately everywhere on the earth. Communist China has one hundred million of them and no-one might evaluate their lifestyle to be Christian motivated. One 0.33 of humanity professes Christianity, which isn't a controversy for the certainty of Christianity, because of the fact Islam has basically approximately as many, whether it shreds the goofy argument that the place you have been born definitely determines your ideals or definition of God even many of the time. on condition that there are no longer any genuine statistics or polls determining if upbringing is the familiar reason human beings profess theism, and you probably did no longer produce any information for this view, your argument has no substance. yet whether this have been genuine, might that disprove the validity of theism? If a guy or woman is raised an atheist, does that advise atheism is unavoidably fake? No, it does not, you're able to desire to construct philosophical and theological arguments to argue against atheism. i did no longer exchange right into a Christian until i replaced into 28. i replaced into an agnostic in the previous that raised in an agnostic kin, and that i be conscious of a lot of persons with comparable memories, so as that on my own punches holes interior the "you think in God because of the fact your mommy and daddy advised you so" theory.

Answer 6

The force that hold us together?

Although there are apparently many types of forces in the Universe, they are all based on four fundamental forces. The strong and weak forces only act at very short distances and are responsible for holding nuclei together. The electromagnetic force acts between electric charges and the gravitational force acts between masses.

All other forces are based on these four. For example, friction is a manifestation of the electromagnetic force acting between the atoms of two surfaces, and the Pauli exclusion principle, which does not allow atoms to pass through each other. The forces in springs modeled by Hooke's law are also the result of electromagnetic forces and the exclusion principle acting together to return the object to its equilibrium position. Centrifugal forces are acceleration forces which arise simply from the acceleration of rotating frames of reference.

The modern quantum mechanical view of the first three fundamental forces (all except gravity) is that particles of matter (fermions) do not directly interact with each other but rather by exchange of virtual particles (bosons). This exchange results in what we call electromagnetic interaction (Coulomb force is one example of electromagnetic interaction).

In general relativity, gravitation is not strictly viewed as a force. Rather, objects moving freely in gravitational fields simply undergo inertial motion along a straight line in the curved space-time - defined as the shortest space-time path between two points. This straight line in space-time is a curved line in space, and it is called the ballistic trajectory of the object. For example, a basketball thrown from the ground moves in a parabola shape as it is in a uniform gravitational field. Similarly, planets move in ellipses as they are in an inverse square gravitational field. The time derivative of the changing momentum of the body is what we label as "gravitational force".

Answer 7

The heat and luminosity of the sun's rays demonstrate to the satisfaction of any rational man that the sun, the source of the rays, is certainly not a dark, cold globe but rather a reservoir of almost unlimited heat and light. Similarly, the innumerable instances of personality and personal consciousness within creation are more than adequate to demonstrate the existence, somewhere, of an unlimited reservoir of consciousness and personal behavior. In his dialogue Philebus, the Greek philosopher Plato argued that just as the material elements in our body are derived from a vast reservoir of material elements existing within the universe, our rational intelligence is also derived from a great cosmic intelligence existing within the universe, and this supreme intelligence is God, the creator. Unfortunately, in age many leading thinkers cannot understand this and instead deny that the Absolute Truth, the source of our personal consciousness, has consciousness and personality. This is as reasonable as saying that the sun is cold and dark.

The Frenchman John-Paul Sartre (1905–1980) was the most prominent exponent of existentialism. His philosophy is explicitly atheistic and pessimistic; he declared that human beings require a rational basis for their lives but are unable to achieve one and thus human life is a “futile passion.” Here Srila Prabhupäda challenges his claim that God does not exist and that the question of His existence is not important to man.
Disciple:
Descartes and Leibnitz believed that before the creation the concept of man existed in essence in the mind of God, just as a machine exists in the mind of its manufacturer before it is constructed. Sartre takes exception to this. In The Humanism of Existentialism, he writes: “Atheistic existentialism, which I represent, is more coherent. It states that if God does not exist, there is at least one being in whom existence precedes essence, a being who exists before he can be defined by any concept, and that this being is man, or, as Heidegger says, human reality.”
Srila Prabhupäda:
But where does human reality come from? There are also other realities. Why is he stressing human reality?
Disciple:
As for man’s origin, Sartre would say that man is “thrown into the world.”
Srila Prabhupäda:
Thrown by whom? The word “throw” implies a thrower.
Disciple:
Sartre isn’t really interested in a thrower. “Existentialism isn’t so atheistic that it wears itself out showing God doesn’t exist,” he writes. “Rather, it declares that even if God did exist, that would change nothing. There you’ve got our point of view. Not that we believe that God exists, but that we think that the problem of His existence is not the issue.”
Srila Prabhupäda:
But if you and others exist, why doesn’t God exist? Why deny God and His existence? Let them all exist.
Disciple:
Since Sartre sees man as having been thrown into the world and abandoned, for him, God is dead.
Srila Prabhupäda:
Abandoned by God does not mean that God is dead. You have to admit that you are condemned to the material world, but just because you are condemned, you should not think that God is also condemned. God is always in Vaikuntha(the spiritual world). He is not dead.
Disciple:
Sartre believes that because we have been abandoned, we must rely on ourselves alone.
SrIla Prabhupäda:
But God has not abandoned us. God is not partial. He does not accept one person and abandon another. If you feel abandoned, it is because you have done something that has brought this condition about. If you rectify your position, you will be accepted again................

Answer 8

The belief in a Supreme Being is not irrational otherwise you would have accuse the most lucid minds of humanity, for example Aristotle, of irrationality.

Answer 9

Yes, belief in god is irrational, by definition. However, do not confuse irrational with necessarily being bad. For example, irrational numbers are also extremely useful.

Answer 10

Jesus epitomized someone who had no delusions or doubts about God. Do His words or actions appear irrational to you?