Ok, I don't see how that proves the Trinity. Clearly your mind is made up, but I'll list a few scriptures that you might like to look up for yourself.
Mark 10:18- A Pharisee referred to Jesus as Good Master, but Jesus corrected him saying: "there is none good but one, that is, God." He didn't say he was God, nor did he want to be called good..in his eyes, only God was to be called good. So, if they're supposedly the same...why did he correct the Pharisee?
John 12:49- Jesus clearly states that he was sent by his Father. And, that he was given a command as to what to say and speak. If they were the same person, wouldn't it have been easier to just admit to it, instead of continuously telling people that he was SENT by God?
John 14:28- Jesus said: "my Father is greater than I." Isn't the belief of the Trinity that all parts are equal because they're all the same person?? Right there, Jesus said God was greater than he was.
Jesus never once referred to himself as God.
2007-05-03 07:31:48
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answered by Rachel B 3
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Ha! Ha! Ha! these scriptures does not prove the trinity. I used to believe trinity is the backbone of Christianity but no one was able to explain it clearly enough. Why? Because it is not taught by Christ and it is not in the Bible.
Romans 6:4 ".....Christ was raised up from the dead through the glory of the Father.." === So, Jesus was brought back to life BY THE FATHER.
Just because the Christ and Father is in the same text or same sentence does not mean they are one.
John 2: 19-21 "....What sign have you to show us, since you are doing these things? In answer Jesus said to them: “Break down this temple, and in three days I will raise it up." == Obviously, since Jesus was referring to his resurrection, Jesus was using figurative speech! How can this be use to back up trinity?
Ok so to save you from further embarrassment, i'll just use one more.
Romans 8:11"....now, the spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwells in you, he that raised up Christ Jesus from the dead will also make your mortal bodies alive through his spirit that resides in you.."
Who raised up Jesus from the dead? God, the Father by using His power; his active force, the Holy Spirit. If the holy spirit can be used by God to fulfill any of his purposes how then can you say that the Holy Spirit is equal to God, the Father?
I'm sorry but none of the scriptures you used to back up your belief in the Trinity does not at all prove anything.
2007-05-03 10:52:23
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answered by Anonymous
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Perhaps this analogy will help your confusion.
My name is 'lsutiger4god'. I am a mother, I am a daughter, I am a sister, I am a niece, I am an aunt. None of these "titles" changes the fact that my name is still 'lsutiger4god'. The same applies to Jesus Christ. He is God. He is the father, the son, and the holy spirit, but his name is Jesus Christ. Father, son and holy spirit are titles only. I hope this helps. May God Bless You today and help your understanding.
2007-05-03 06:14:50
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answered by lsutiger4god 2
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True! but what of the Scriptures that say in part, "These three are ONE?" and "No man cometh to the Father, but by Me?" or ".....offices of the SELFSAME spirit?" There are not three separate entities in the Godhead, merely three offices. Think of it this way....Most men are husbands, fathers and sons. If you got a group of them together in a room, then walked in an d shouted "Father!" , ALL the fathers in the room would turn to see who was calling them! Same with the sons (obviously) and those who were married. But when you called them by their INDIVIDUAL NAMES, only ONE would respond at a time! Jesus Christ was 1. God the Father. 2. God manifested in the flesh. 3. spirit (when He ascended to Heaven in His glorified body). He answers to His NAME, which is Jesus.
2007-05-03 06:20:16
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answered by bigvol662004 6
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I am not sure where your question is...or what it is, but you gave absolutely no proof of the trinity. The fact that God, the Father, AND Jesus Christ, God's Son, and the holy spirit are all talked about in the Bible does not make the trinity a factual teaching. No one is debating that all three exist. God and Jesus are two separate and unequal individuals, and the holy spirit is difinitely needed in order for one to even begin to learn the truth...but the trinity doctrine says that all three are persons, all three are equal, all three are God. NO WAY!
Psalm 83:18: "That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, art the most high over all the earth." (This is from the King James Version)
Revelation 3:14: "And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;" (King James Version)
This is speaking of none other that Jesus Christ, "the beginning of the creation by God...Jesus had a beginning, he was created of God"...Jesus is a Mighty God, but Jehovah is the only Almighty God.
Jesus himself said:
John 17:3: "This means everlasting life, their taking in knowledge of you, the only true God, and of the one whom you sent forth, Jesus Christ."
Notice the separating word above..."AND" Here there are mentioned only two. God AND Jesus...the holy spirit is not mentioned here.
1 Corinthians 8: 5 & 6: "For even though there are those who are called “gods,” whether in heaven or on earth, just as there are many “gods” and many “lords,” 6 there is actually to us one God the Father, out of whom all things are, and we for him; and there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things are, and we through him."
2007-05-05 05:51:22
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answered by wannaknow 5
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I am of the APOSTOLIC FAITH
The scripture to back up my belief.
Deut. 6:4 Hear oh Israel the Lord our God is one Lord
John 10:30 I and my father are one
John 14:7-12 He that hath seen me hath seen the father.
And there is plenty more where that came from.
2007-05-03 06:14:14
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answered by Anonymous
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If you read the whole Bible, does not matter which version from cover to cover without any preconceived idea of a Trinity, would you arrive at the conclusion that God the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit coequal, almighty, and uncreated, having existed eternally in the Godhead? I am confident that you will not but instead you will find that God alone is the Almighty, the Creator, separate and distinct from anyone else, and that Jesus, even in his prehuman existence, is also separate and distinct, a created being, subordinate to God. The Holy Spirit is God's power or active force.
I am one of Jehovah's Witnesses and i will use the Catholic Bible version to prove that Trinity is false teaching.
This is what The Catholic New Jerusalem Bible (NJB) reads in Deuteronomy 6:4-
“Listen, Israel: Yahweh our God is the one, the only Yahweh.”
In the grammar of that verse, the word “one” has no plural modifiers to suggest that it means anything but one individual.
Jerusalem Bible in Exodus 20: 2, 3 reads-
"“I am Yahweh your God . . . You shall have no gods except me." (Yahweh is the Hebrew name of God; Jehovah is the closest translation in English of God's name)
A person who believes in the Trinity may argue that Jehovah/Yahweh is also Jesus Christ.
NO. Jesus is not Jehovah. Jesus himself called God, the Father, the only true God. This is what the Holy Bible; New International Version Bible quotes Jesus saying in John 17:3-
"Now this is eternal life; that they may know you, the only true God AND, Jesus Christ, whom you have sent."
The word "and" indicates that there are 2 individuals that people need to gain knowledge of to have everlasting life: God, Jehovah and the Son he sent, Jesus Christ . Never did Jesus refer to God as a deity of plural persons. Jesus never claimed to be God. Everything he said about himself indicates that he did not consider himself equal to God in any way—not in power, not in knowledge, not in age.
Notice what Jesus said in Mark 10:18- Jerusalem Bible
“Why do you call me good? No one is good but God alone.”
Doesn't this prove and further showed that Jesus was a separate being from God?
The apostle Paul had no reservations about speaking of Jesus and God as distinctly separate.
Notice what its said in 1 Corinthians 8:6- Jerusalem Bible version:
“For us there is one God, the Father, . . . and there is one Lord, Jesus Christ.”
Regarding the Holy Spirit.
This is what the Catholic theologian Edmund Fortman says about this (holy spirit) in The Triune God:
“Although this spirit is often described in personal terms, it seems quite clear that the sacred writers [of the Hebrew Scriptures] never conceived or presented this spirit as a distinct person.”
Let me give you one example (Samson). Judges 14:6 (JB Version) relates: "The spirit of Yahweh seized on him, and though he had no weapon in his hand he tore the lion in pieces.”
Did a divine person actually enter or seize Samson, manipulating his body to do what he did? No, it was really “the power of the LORD [that] made Samson strong.”—TEV.
The Bible also says that when Jesus was baptized, holy spirit came down upon him appearing like a dove, not like a human form.
I do appreciate the texts you've provided and yes, many religions will say that some Bible texts offer proof in support of the Trinity. But you must remember that any Bible reference offered as proof must be understood in the context of the consistent teaching of the entire Bible. Very often the true meaning of such a text is clarified by the context of surrounding verses.
For example, the text mentioned by Apostolicgirl18. She used John 10:30 "I and the Father are one"
Please read the context of this scripture such as:
John 10:38
John 17:11
John 17:21
Overall, Trinity is not found in the Bible, therefore, it is false.
2007-05-03 13:10:10
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answered by Agape 3
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All these scriptures talk about God and Jesus as though they are separate entities, with God raising Jesus. If Jesus was God, he would not have to be raised by another power. So much for the Trinity doctrine of the Catholic Church of centuries ago. So much for pretending that Jesus was God.
2007-05-03 06:08:11
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answered by Anonymous
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There are more scriptures than that. Consider your aspect of the trinity in context with these scriptures as well.
2nd Col.8Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. 9For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. 10And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:
REV 19V
16And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.
Everything starts with JESUS and ends with Jesus.
REV 1V8I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
2007-05-03 06:11:00
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answered by andy r 3
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What is the Trinity?
The word "trinity" is not found in the Bible, but the concept is. All cults deny the Trinity. Christians claim it is true. But, what is it? Is it an office held by three gods (Mormonism) or a pagan concept borrowed from ancient cults (as the Jehovah's Witnesses teach)? The Oneness Pentecostal believers teach that God is not a Trinity but is really one person who takes three forms. So, which of these is true? None.
The Trinity is the doctrine that there is only one God in all creation, all time, and all places. This one God exists as three persons: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Each person is not the same person as the other, yet there are not three gods, but one.
The Bible has many references to a plurality concerning the nature of God's existence. Consider the following verses as an example: Gen. 19:24, "Then the Lord rained on Sodom and Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the Lord out of heaven." Notice that the Lord rained FROM the Lord out of heaven. Amos 4:10-11 says, "I sent a plague among you after the manner of Egypt; I slew your young men by the sword along with your captured horses, And I made the stench of your camp rise up in your nostrils; Yet you have not returned to Me, declares the Lord [YHWH]. 11I overthrew you as God overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah, And you were like a firebrand snatched from a blaze; Yet you have not returned to Me, declares the Lord." Notice here that the Lord is talking and says, "I overthrew you as God overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah." Sometimes when I show these verses to Jehovah's Witnesses (without saying anything else), they often respond with, "Are you trying to show me the Trinity?" I then say, "You got the Trinity out of that? Wow!"
In the New Testament there are several verses that show God's plurality. Here 's two. Matt. 28:19, "Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit," Note that there is one name and three persons. Also, 2 Cor. 13:14, "The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit, be with you all." These kinds of verses, and others (see http://www.carm.org/doctrine/trinityplural.htm for more) are part of the means by which the doctrine of the Trinity is derived.
When we "theologians" use the word "person," we are not saying that God is three individual beings walking around who are actually one being. That would be a contradiction. Instead, we define a person as having self awareness, identity, can speak, love, grieve, etc. These are attributes of personhood and we see all of these attributes, and more, in the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. If you want to see a chart that exemplifies this, go to http://www.carm.org/doctrine/trinity.htm and look around.
The Trinity is a very important doctrine within Christianity. It is the correct view of the Godhead and needs to be affirmed by Christians. Of course, the cults deny the Trinity, often misrepresent it as teaching three gods, or that it is an office, etc. But the truth is that the Trinity doctrine is derived from Scripture and is unique to Christianity.
Finally, the Trinity is important because only in the doctrine of the Trinity can we have the true incarnation of God (the Word become flesh as the Son - John 1:1,14). Only the God-man Jesus can offer a sacrifice sufficient to appease the infinite Father in heaven. No mere man can do this. No mere angel. Instead, God the Word, in His grace, added to Himself human nature (Phil. 2:5-8) in order to bear our sins in His body on the cross (1 Pet. 2:24) so that He might become sin on our behalf (2 Cor. 5:21). This way, He atoned for our sins by the shedding of His blood (Heb. 9:22) and guaranteed that all who trust in Him will receive everlasting life (John 3:16). Because of what Jesus did on the cross, we might then have eternal life that is received by grace through faith (Eph. 2:8). Amen to that!
2007-05-03 06:05:21
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answered by Anonymous
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