If NDE's are illusions, then why.....?

Question

can some patients who are clinically dead (not breathing/no heartbeat) and are revived can tell with uncanny accuracy what the people around them did (these don't all happen at hospitals), who said what, who was there and what they were wearing, and chronological detail the order of events to save their lives? I mean if it were drugs that caused this, how come the details are so accurate? Whether it's drugs or not, since in these cases they are "aware" after death, does that prove awareness survives physical death? If the mind is shutting down and trying to make this physical death an "enjoyable" experience, I still don't see how they can remember such detail when they are unconscience and dead.....even doctors are amazed by some of these stories...just some thoughts. Interested in all answers. Thanks.

There are thousands of documented cases....there are even books written by physicians about this very topic. It's proof enough for me.

Ross....agreed, but an NDE with "bits" lacks enough details, I think...

Answer 1

Source? There's a lot of claims there with no backing.

Now, let's assume that some of it is true. We already know that living people under anesthesia or otherwise immobilized are sometimes aware enough to be able to later report what happened. Nothing mystical going on there.

The "NDE" version of this is "but they reported things that happened while they were clinically dead". I say bull. Show me one instance in which it was independently confirmed that the person who was clinically dead and then revived accurately reported specific details of what happened while they were clinically dead without having first spoken with others who were in the room during that time.

You won't be able to.

These stories are just tall tales told by people who didn't do enough with their real lives to feel significant, so they're inventing fantasies for the sake of attention.

Answer 2

There's no proof that people really have any recollections of "uncanny accuracy."

Such claims are rarely investigated to ensure they are correct by an objective observer.

Believe me, if there were a phenomena where people consistently observed and related details concerning the moments of there clinical deaths, Doctors would talk about it alot.

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Well, you say that the existence of "thousands of documented cases....there are even books written by physicians about this very topic" are "proof enough."

But please keep in mind, that the mere existence of books supporting any claim is not proof of that claim. Also, I'm not sure who is documenting these claims of NDE. Is it a person who wants to believe in NDE, or someone who is making money off of NDE? If so, it's not an impartial study.

And without impartiality, there should be skepticism.

I might have been a little too flippant with my answer (I got carried away with the dream of being first answer!) Let me try to rephrase.

If a doctor consistently sees evidence of NDE, then I think he would be very excited about it. He would probably publish in medical journals. He would convert to the appropriate religion, if the NDEs did not support his current belief. And they would tell every person they could. They wouldn't have to worry about being branded a "Kook," because they are the experts, and they have their patients to back up their accounts of NDE.

But that doesn't seem to happen.

I did a little Internet searching looking for statements from Cardiologist Associations regarding NDEs, and couldn't find any. If NDEs were frequent enough and consistent enough to prove anything, I would expect them to be discussed.

I know the skeptical answer is less rewarding, and I know that this doubt seems to be trumped by what you've already read and learned about.

But just keep in mind, there really isn't any reason for people to deny NDEs if the evidence is really as certain as you've been led to believe.

Take care.

Answer 3

there is no way for the brain to have an nde while there is no blood going to the brain " heart patients ", the brain needs all the vital nutrients to work, people who claim that its just part of the dying process have a hard time explaining this, there are many examples of this some people whos heart completely stopped and had a nde, also there is accounts of nde's explaining in detail of whats happening in other rooms and etc. only good explanation of an nde is through quantum mechanics some how they say consciousness is connected to the theory but this is far fetched science

added: my uncle had one when he was having complications to heart surgery and he said he didnt see a light or angels, he said he ended up in a room and was given a choice without words he made his choice and woke up, he said it was more real than reality and not even close to a dream he said when he was in this room he felt loved and could think really clear about his life and his choice of coming back whenever he talks about it he gets real emotional he said it wasnt a religious experience but a spiritual one

Answer 4

The stories I read were pretty convincing regarding NDE. I agree with you.