Did you know Hagar and Ishmael were sent to Arabia when he was a child & not a 17 yr old like the Bible says ?

Question

The Romans and Greeks could never conquer or Hellenize the children of Ishmael.

Gods plan was to save the lineage of Ishmael from all the disasters that were to befall Jerusalem and then the Final Prophet from the rod of Jesse (Ishmael) would come from the land of Ke’dar (Arabia).

God commanded Abraham to leave his family in the desert of paran (Arabia) and we know from history that the miraculous well given to Hagar and Ishmael is in the middle of the Holy city of Mecca.

God sent Hagar and the first born of Abraham into the wilderness when Ishmael was a baby….. and not like what the scholars wrote in the bible about him being 17 years old.

A mother does not carry a 17 year old on her shoulder and then place the crying child of 17 yrs. under a bush and walk away while he dies of thirst.

It is abundantly clear from the story in Gen. 21:14-19 that Ishmael was a little baby at that time. Following is the documentation of this statement:

According to Gen. 16:16 Abraham was 86 years old when Ishmael was born. And according to Gen.21:5 Abraham was one hundred years old when Isaac was born. It follows that Ishmael was already fourteen years old when his younger brother Isaac was born.

According to Gen. 21:14-19, the jealousy incident took place after Issac was weaned. Biblical scholars tell us that “the child was weaned about the age of three”.

It follows that when Hagar and Ishmael were taken away Ishmael was a full grown teenager seventeen year old.

The profile of Ishmael in Gen. 21:14-19, however , is that of a small baby and not of a teenager.
Why ?

First : According to the Interpreters Bible , the original Hebrew for Gen.21:14 was “…and put the child upon her shoulder”. The same reading is rendered in the Revised Standard Edition of the Bible.

How would a mother carry a Seventeen year old teenager “upon her shoulder? Certainly he was strong enough to carry his mother !
Ishmael must have been a baby .

Second : In Gen. 21:15 we are told that Hagar “cast” the child under one of the shrubs. Again, according to this Biblical text Ishmael must have been a baby and not a seventeen year old man.

Third: In Gen. 21:16 we are told that Hagar sat away so that she may not see the death of the child before her eyes. Is that a profile of a husky seventeen year old teenager who was probably capable of being worried about his mother dying before his eyes? Or is it obviously a profile of a small helpless baby or at most a small child?

Fourth : According to Gen. 21:17, the angels told Hagar “arise, lift up the lad”. Is a seventeen year old young man a proper object to be “lifted up” by a woman? Or is that a reference to a small child or baby?

Fifth: In Gen. 21:19, we are told that Hagar went to fill the bottle with water “and give the lad a drink”. One would expect a strong young man of seventeen to go and bring water to his mother instead.

The non Jewish version of the story is fully consistent and coherent from A to Z; Ishmael was a baby and Isaac was not born yet when this incident took place. This coherence and consistency are confirmed by centuries-old traditions and even actual locations in Mecca where Hagar and Ishmael settled. This clearly implies that the real reason behind their settlement in Arabia (Paran) was not the dictation, jealousy, ego or sense of racial superiority on the part of Sarah. It was rather God’s plan; pure and simple. The lineage of Ishmael was to be protected from the disasters that were to befall Jerusalem and the surrounding area.

It may be relevant to indicate that this issue is not the only instance of inconsistency in respect to Ishmael’s story. The Interpreters Bible compares the story of Hagar and Ishmael in Gen. 21:14-19 with that in an earlier chapter (Gen. 16:1-16) and concludes “the inclusion in Genesis of both stories so nearly alike and yet sufficiently different to be inconsistent, is one of many instances of the reluctance of the compilers to sacrifice any of the traditions which has become established in Israel.” (Interpreters Bible, ibid, p. 604)


Obviously early scholars fabricated the story of a spat between Isaac and Ishmael so they could disown the first born and have a God only for themselves to the exclusion of all others.


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Answer 1

Is that from a Koranic form of catechism

Answer 2

Huh? Exactly where does the Bible say that ?

"First : According to the Interpreters Bible , the original Hebrew for Gen.21:14 was “…and put the child upon her shoulder”. The same reading is rendered in the Revised Standard Edition of the Bible.

How would a mother carry a Seventeen year old teenager “upon her shoulder? Certainly he was strong enough to carry his mother !
Ishmael must have been a baby .

Second : In Gen. 21:15 we are told that Hagar “cast” the child under one of the shrubs. Again, according to this Biblical text Ishmael must have been a baby and not a seventeen year old man.

Third: In Gen. 21:16 we are told that Hagar sat away so that she may not see the death of the child before her eyes. Is that a profile of a husky seventeen year old teenager who was probably capable of being worried about his mother dying before his eyes? Or is it obviously a profile of a small helpless baby or at most a small child?

Fourth : According to Gen. 21:17, the angels told Hagar “arise, lift up the lad”. Is a seventeen year old young man a proper object to be “lifted up” by a woman? Or is that a reference to a small child or baby?

Fifth: In Gen. 21:19, we are told that Hagar went to fill the bottle with water “and give the lad a drink”. One would expect a strong young man of seventeen to go and bring water to his mother instead."

So you have just demonstrated that the Bible doesn't teach us that Ishmael 17 years old. Just as I suspected. Where did you get this weird idea? I've never come across anything that makes the claim that Ishmael was a teenager at that time.

Answer 3

Do you realize the only historical evidence that there was an Ishmael comes from the Books of Moses? and yet you believe in Ishmael but not the word of God that tells you about him...only a Muslim would think in this way. The Bible shows Ishmael to be at least 14. Ishmael was not sent away to protect him from anything he was sent away because of his mocking. Issac was the child of the covenant with Abraham.

Answer 4

You have it totally wrong as to what the Scriptures say and distort the truth of it altogether... She never had her son on her shoulders but the bread and the skin water bottle and left with her child; who by no means of the imagination was a young child but when people live as old as they did then, a son or daughter is considered a child much later than it is now... wouldn't you think? but to call the Bible or the only book claiming divine inspiration (therefore the Word of God), a liar! is nothing less than what Satan has been doing with the heavenly Father for a half a dozen millenniums now and is nothing new... As for me, I'll put my faith and believe a God who cannot lie, who never did, way before I ever chose to believe a man, any man, to whom no salvation belongs... Read those passages again and if you have any insight whatsoever and read carefully, you will see it all differently I'm sure. I have read quite a few different translations here and they all confirm the truth of what I am telling you here that Abraham gave her the bread and water and put it on her shoulders and she left with the child (her child!) regardless of the age; which I never thought for a second was younger than his half-brother... No one does!!! As the Bible doesn't say what you say it does.... Really and sorry and hope the truth like you say, won't hurt you as much as you thought your truth would hurt me... Agape!!! and Peace!!!

Answer 5

If 1+1+1 = 1 then anything is possible. I know some would say it is 1X1X1 = 1; however when 2 of any nature get together they add and they don't multiply.

Answer 6

properly my account does not use the word "carry," it states that he replaced into born at Mamre, yet replaced into despatched into the barren area south of Beersheba, Paran, while he replaced into sixteen years of age. He married an Egyptian spouse and had 12 sons and a daughter. specific Abraham replaced into 86 years previous while Ismael replaced into born. Abraham replaced into ninety 9 while Ismael replaced into circumcised at 13, and replaced into age one hundred years previous while Isaac replaced into 8 days previous and circumcised. After Isaac replaced into weaned, Sarah needed Hagar and Ismael out. you be conscious of something of the tale. Sooo i think of you're wrong.

Answer 7

Dude: It is obvious that you have not read II Tim. 3:15-17.
I know that that passage will more than answer your question.
Mr. M on "Ishmael."

Answer 8

Did you ask something or are you preaching?

Answer 9

Teach us, o knowledgable one....