ok, i know the parts, the father, son, and holy spirit. but what do each consist of? isn't god the father a spirit? if so, then aren't the father and the holy spirit one? so why classify them as being two separate entities. and is the son referring to jesus in the flesh, or is it just referring to his spirit as well? those who claim he ascended into heaven claim they saw his body leave. that would imply that jesus is still flesh, wouldn't it? then why can't we actually see him? and how can he be everywhere at once? the thing that makes the least sense about the trinity is the fact that people insist it's all making up one god. can anyone explain to me how this is possible. here's my limited understanding of christian theology and let me know where i'm going wrong with this.
1. god is the creator of the universe
2. jesus is the son of god
3. jesus is god
4. the holy spirit is god
5. the father, the son, and the holy spirit make up the trinity
(to be continued)
2007-05-02 08:15:44 · 13 answers · asked by just curious (A.A.A.A.) 5 in Society & Culture ➔ Religion & Spirituality
based on my understanding of 1-5 i've arrived at the following...
6. the holy spirit is part of jesus in the flesh and either part of or all of god the father
7. if the holy spirit is in both jesus and god the father, then only the holy spirit is god. and thus there is no such thing as a trinity
2007-05-02 08:17:47 · update #1
You are correct! There is no such thing as the trinity. In fact, most people who think that they are trinitarians, realize that they believe in Oneness after they spend some time researching it.
2007-05-02 08:22:59 · answer #1 · answered by Anonymous · 0⤊ 3⤋
1-5 good...then ya lose it.
6. the holy spirit is part of jesus in the flesh and either part of or all of god the father
7. if the holy spirit is in both jesus and god the father, then only the holy spirit is god. and thus there is no such thing as a trinity
The Holy Spirit did join Jesus. and returned to be with us who believe in Christ.
2007-05-02 15:24:19 · answer #2 · answered by djmantx 7 · 0⤊ 0⤋
The Trinity is a mystery of faith in the strict sense, one of the "mysteries that are hidden in God, which can never be known unless they are revealed by God".58 To be sure, God has left traces of his Trinitarian being in his work of creation and in his Revelation throughout the Old Testament. But his inmost Being as Holy Trinity is a mystery that is inaccessible to reason alone or even to Israel's faith before the Incarnation of God's Son and the sending of the Holy Spirit.
My assertion is that the Father is one, and the Son one, and the Spirit one, and that They are distinct from Each Other. This statement is taken in a wrong sense by every uneducated as well as every perversely disposed person, as if it predicated a diversity, in such a sense as to imply a separation among the Father, and the Son, and the Spirit. I am, moreover, obliged to say this, when (extolling the Monarchy at the expense of the Economy) they contend for the identity of the Father and Son and Spirit, that it is not by way of diversity that the Son differs from the Father, but by distribution: it is not by division that He is different, but by distinction; because the Father is not the same as the Son, since they differ one from the other in the mode of their being. For the Father is the entire substance, but the Son is a derivation and portion of the whole, as He Himself acknowledges: My Father is greater than I.' In the Psalm His inferiority is described as being a little lower than the angels.' Thus the Father is distinct from the Son, being greater than the Son, inasmuch as He who begets is one, and He who is begotten is another; He, too, who sends is one, and He who is sent is another; and He, again, who makes is one, and He through whom the thing is made is another
2007-05-02 15:26:37 · answer #3 · answered by Gods child 6 · 0⤊ 0⤋
It is first necessary to realize that Almighty God has no limits on POWER. He can do and be anything He wants to be or do. Jesus is Father God's Word made flesh. (John 1:1) Just as your mouth says whats coming from your brain, so does Jesus Christ from Father God. Jesus is 2 & 3. The Holy Spirit is the POWER of Father God on earth. He gives us comfort, understanding and prayer support. He also gives us power to live in a world which hates us because of our love and obedience to Jesus Christ. (John 14)
2007-05-02 15:32:49 · answer #4 · answered by martha d 5 · 0⤊ 0⤋
When God created man in Genesis 2:7, he made man to function in three different realms. He made a 1) body from the elements of the eath, breathed into it his own 2)spirit, and man became a living 3)soul.
The body interacts with thephysical realm, the soul controls the mental realm of the will, mind and emotions, and the spirit communciates with the spiritual or heavenly realm. Three different manifestations which form a single person. Each is just as much "you" as any of the other parts.
So it is with God. He dwells in the heavenly realm as God the Father. He entered the earthly realm, born as a human, as God the Son (Jesus Christ), and He dwells in the hearts of men as God the Holy Spirit. Three manifestations that form a single being. Each is just as much "God" as any of the others. All three exist at the same time (just as your body, mind and soul exist at the same time) but in different realms. They work together, and even talk to each other on occassion. (Don't you talk to yourself?)
The Father is God, the Son is God, the Sprit is God, yet all only equal One God. Which of course makes perfect mathematical sense. 1 X 1 X 1 = 1.
2007-05-02 15:30:30 · answer #5 · answered by dewcoons 7 · 1⤊ 0⤋
Jesus said that the kingdom of heaven is within us. Since Jesus and the Father are both in heaven who could He have been referring to? Right, the Holy Spirit. The Spirit of truth who God put within us is the one that gets ignored and misunderstood by people. You hear a lot of Jesus this and bible that or God something else. Do not make the same mistake of underestimating the Spirit of truth. The Spirit of truth will tell you where to find inspired scripture, what it means, and how to apply it in your life. Hint: all inspired scripture is not in the bible, all that is in the bible is not inspired by the Spirit of truth.
2007-05-02 17:04:46 · answer #6 · answered by single eye 5 · 0⤊ 0⤋
The Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit are three person in one Godhead. They are co-equal. They are inseparable because they always agree as one and always act as one. Jesus is the Son of God. He is 100% God as well as being 100% man; therefore he is the God-man. Mary, the biological mother of Jesus was impregnated by the Holy Spirit using the Son of God as the seed to fertilize her human egg. This is why Jesus is the God-man and the Son of God. Jesus never gave up his position or power in the Trinity while on earth. When Jesus died on the cross God died on the cross because Jesus is as much God as is the Trinity. When Jesus was raised from the dead, God was raised from the dead. Jesus had the power to lay his life down and the power to take it up again. This power was divine love. Divine love cannot die. Divine love created the universe and sustains it and pervades throughout all of Creation. Thus, when God died on the cross creation was held intact by divine love. Look at the Trinity as you would look at yourself. You are composed of spirit, soul and body, but you are one person. The Trinity is composed of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit, but is one God. Each of the three major divisions of you has a function, and in order for you to live all three must stay in agreement. The Trinity operates upon the same principle. This is not polytheism, which some uneducated idiot is trying to teach today and is asking one stupid question after another. Christianity is monotheism---belief and worship of one God. We pray to to Jesus or to the Father in the name of Jesus because Jesus is our Lord and Savior, and Jesus tells us to pray to him. When we pray to Jesus we are praying to God and the Father and the Holy Spirit hear those prayers and answer them according to their collective will. Togetherness is the key to understanding the nature of the Trinity.
2007-05-02 15:36:24 · answer #7 · answered by Preacher 6 · 1⤊ 0⤋
I'm unclear what the Father exactly "is", but I know that Jesus is Soul, and the HG is logically Spirit. Since Christ calls US His body, then the Father can't be, as God shares His glory with none. He'll give you what's due to you, but not what's due to Him. So let's just say the Father is made of "Holy Element 1" for now, since we don't know what exactly that is.
it's probably a concept beyond our comprehension.
2007-05-02 15:24:01 · answer #8 · answered by Hey, Ray 6 · 0⤊ 1⤋
Three divine Persons so infinitely bound by an unimaginable love that they are so one with each other as to be one God, St.Patrick tried to explain this with a clover plant( shamrock) one plant,one stem but three leaves.
2007-05-02 15:29:45 · answer #9 · answered by Sentinel 7 · 0⤊ 0⤋
That makes absolutely no sense. Not to mention that you're making a lot of your own, unproven assumptions.
2007-05-02 15:27:34 · answer #10 · answered by Mark 3 · 1⤊ 0⤋