Would you believe in the existence of such a man known as Jesus if...?

Question

you removed the title Son of God and the miricales and took the story as a Jewish man from the lineage of King David who attracted alot of attention by talking, had a genuine claim as a decendant of King David, upset the leaders of the Jewish faith by contradicting somethings and was a threat to the stability of the Roman occupied land by being percienved as King David's decendant. Was crucified to shut him up and prevent yet aother jewish uprising and another bloody reprisal by the Romans in a land frequented by Jewish insurgents claiming to be the one prophesised.

Answer 1

That's a very interesting question, and yet I will offer another perspective on your perspective ! ;-)

What you write is all pefectly reasonable, and far better born out by the known 'facts', which, as you doubtless already know, are precious few, and almost non-existent outside of the heavily biased and compromised 'New Testament'.

What allows me some considerable leeway in my consideration of an actual person, Yashua bin Jusef, are the actual 'words of wisdom' attributed to him. I not only understand, and agree ( mostly ), with them, but my researches have confirmed their source, which is a far greater and more ancient source than either Judaism, or 'Christianity'.

Even the words from the 'Cross' may be found to be in a more ancient tongue than any known language at the time of the reported events, and their translation can put a very different perspective on what this person may have been experiencing, if this event ever actually took place in this realm, which I seriously doubt.

In summary, and this is exactly the same with any path of understanding, it is the words and teachings that have meaning, not the 'Teacher', no matter how charismatic or remarkable.

The Buddha said himself, in yet another heavily misunderstood, and misquoted, stanza from his later years incarnate, "If you meet Buddha on your path, kill him".

The meaning of this to me, is don't focus on the messenger, focus on the message.

I am convinced that if Yashua bin Jusef really was the highly evolved 'Master' that I think he may well have been, then he would be the first to applaud and echo those sentiments.

Answer 2

I wonder why so much of fuss is created and sustained on the man Jesus, while we totally forget about or turn a Nelson's eye towards His divinity.
There are enough and more verses (the Ego eimi .....ones for instance) to prove that Jesus was the son of God and God Himself. The Trinity concept is something that the plain human brain cannot comprehend.
Can you comprehend what living in a dimension more than 3 would be like? Or what is eternity with respect to time, what are the dimensions connected with time? What, if, after having tremendous knowledge and wisdom for having created earth, all its people, knowing all their working, their future and all that........to be humiliated in the vilest way by them and to top it all be killed by them......and still say I am submitting my self to this for some norm He Himself has created for rescuing these miserable creatures from the sins they have committed. Wow, isn't awesome? With a half a wink I would have called off the whole experiment as a failure and would have sent everything.......not only earth but the solar system, Milky Way, and Universe lock stock and barrel to oblivion. Wouldn't you have if you were in the same place? But He gave Himself up to be the sacrifice for our sins. Why? Accept it by faith.

Answer 3

Thomas Jefferson did something like this. He took every refference of the Miraculous or instance of divine intervention in the bible, and published it as the Jeffersonian Bible. It's still published today, and there are even some churches formed around it. What you're left with when you take all that out is actually an interesting, thoughtful and moral book with some great ideas in it.

Answer 4

The problem I have with the idea of Jesus as historical (instead of mythological) figure is the lack of evidence.

A big one for me is the report of three crucified, and two for thievery.

Thievery wasn't a capitol crime in judea, and the Romans went for MASSIVE crucificition or individuals....

So it's something unlike other executions the Romans were doing, but it never is discussed by Augustus?

or, 50,000 Jesus fans at one rally and Augustus doesn't mention it?

The archaeological evidence could've been destroyed during the crusades, but the historical blanks are freaky.
unlikely.

Answer 5

that's the only bit of the story that's likely.Joseph and Mary were his unmarried parents because she was only 13 yrs old it was frowned upon.he became a carpenter like his dad.they had to flee Jerusalem for Nazareth.that's why hes called Jesus of Nazareth.he mouthed off here and their,became an intolerable rebel of the state so they had him crucified along with others of his kind.

Answer 6

Most likely not. Then I'd have no reason to believe that He was the Son of God, nor would He have conquered death and overcome it. There'd be nothing there to believe in except another manifestation of how the world works. Fortunately, that's not how it went.

Answer 7

One Cannot REMOVE Son of God as that is who He IS. As far as your last sentence, He WAS prophesied about a 1000 years earlier in the 22nd and 23rd Psalm just to name a single place in Gods Word. The Very 1st Prophecy is in Genesis Chapter 3 verse 15 at the beginning of that Holy Word IS Concerning HIM, (Christ) and what must be done for us to be rejoined BACK to God. Christ IS THE ONLY Bridge between God and Man.

Answer 8

That fits more or less with what I believe anyway... What does it matter though? The bridge between Jesus the man and Jesus the son of God is what matters most to Christians first and foremost, and is what I myself and other athiests have problems accepting

Answer 9

Ummmm.... no.

This is the more likely version.

There was this carpenter bloke named Jesus. His mum was married and pregnant when his father died, so she married the dad's brother (Joseph). Jesus was raised as a carpenter. But felt the need to spread the word of God. However, he didn't agree with the word of God as it stood then, so changed it to a more peace and love vibe, instead of the vengeful tyrannical feeling of the Old Testament. So like most preachers of the time he gathered a following. One day he came upon Jerusalem, where people were still worshipping the God of old. Jesus tried to convert them to the new shiny version, but they were having none of it. They forced Jesus and his followers to disband. Jesus went back to Ma and Pa, whilst his followers changed his message and went forth in to the world. Jesus died of old age.

Of course you can see why they had to change it all around, and add miracles, divine parentage etc.

And to extraordinarywomanoffaith, just because someone has a message and people follow it, doesn't make it right. Need I mention David Koresh, Shoko Asahara, Roch Theirault, Jim Jones. All had a message, all had followers.

Answer 10

At the end of series four of 24, Jack Bauer dies for his teams sins and then rises from the dead. If anyone has seen this they will know I am telling the truth!

I wonder if in 2000 years people will read the script of that episode and think it is the word of God...........