A question for the mormons. About excommumication/disfellowship?

Question

Per the teaching of the mormon faith. They the elders can remove your salvation both in the earth temple and and in the time to come.

Yeat Jesus said this. John 6:39 "This is the will of the Father who sent Me, that of all He has given Me I should lose nothing,
but should raise it up at the last day. 40 "And this it the will of Him who sent me, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him may have everlasting life; and i will raise him
up at the last day.

Jesus declares that all those whom the father gives to him are his for all times.

So explain how the Mormon church uses this teaching to punish people when it is against the word of Christ?

Please explain were in the scripture it is ok to lie to people about what Jesus said?

Please explain when lieing is rightious and not a lie?

Please explain how the men in your church claim authority greater then the "words of Jesus" ?

Answer 1

What is taught in the Mormon faith is that while everyone is "saved" (everyone who ever lived in mortality may be resurected on the last day, per John 6:40), in order to receive salvation (and thus be able to live with God) is that you must demonstrate through your faith (via works, because the second chapter of James taught that faith without works is dead, being alone) that you are obediant to the commandments of God and thus have done all that you have been told to do in order to receive that.

Part of the basis for the Mormon Church is that there was a falling away from proper priesthood authority (including prophetic revelation), and that through Joseph Smith that was all restored; in one of those modern-day revelations, (Doctrine and Covenants 82:10), the Lord states:

"I, the Lord, am bound when ye do what I say; but when ye do not what I say, ye have no promise."

So in order to receive that which was promised in John chapter 6, we must do what the Lord commands, or we have NO promises. Not "Oh, the Lord's grading on a curve here." Not "Everybody who simply believes without obedience will get all rewards." Receiving any and ALL blessings (including those you quoted) is entirely dependent upon our own individual obediance to God's commandments, and those blessings may be revolked at any time if we are not obediant.

Disfellowship and excommunication (the latter of which, by the way, is a common policy in most Christian churches for those who don't follow that denomination's rules for remaining in good membership, and is not a strictly Mormon Church doctrine by a long shot) are the two most serious penalties (in order) for those who do not follow the Church's doctrine, and can be implemented for such things as sexual sins, actively speaking out against the Church, and murder.

Those are actions that an individual commits of their own free accord. Therefore, the punishment is also something that the person brings on him/herself. It is not something the priesthood holders of the Church just run around handing out. Those priesthood holders are called as judges in Israel, and act under the direct guidance of the Hooly Ghost (who in turn in acting under the direct guidance of God and Christ) before any decision is made for either disfellowship or excommunication, and in all but two types of sin (denying the Holy Ghost and the shedding of innocent blood) the person can repent and be rebaptised into the Church.

Answer 2

I'm not Mormon though I have lived with and worked with Mormons.

If a Mormon is disfellowshipped/excommunicated, that person loses membership in the Latter Day Saint Church.

However.


It does not mean that one loses his or her relationship with God, neither does it mean the LDS Church can keep an individual out of heaven. It does mean the LDS church can keep that person out of Mormon churches and of course, Mormon temples.

As to whether one can enter heaven or not is up to God and God alone, not a decision left up to the elders of a particular church. You may have lost contact with the LDS church and its members because you were excommunicated.

Should excommunication in the LDS Church occur you can view this as a new lease on life, go to God directly, instead of an organized church like the LDS church.

John 6:39 is an important scripture; even though the LDS church holds the Bible in esteem they hold the Book of Mormon a step higher (thus their unique theology which is radically diferent from orthodox Biblical Christian theology).
Thus the tendency to elevate the prophethood of Joseph Smith above Jesus.

Lying can never be righteous neither does God who is All Good, have the capacity to lie. Men are capable of lying (and they frequently do) but Jesus the Lord cannot.

Below are some links to help better understand the LDS church, its founding, the reason for their unique theology, temple rituals, etc.:

http://www.exmormon.org/tract2.htm

http://www.mrm.org/topics/mormon-temple

http://www.mormoncurtain.com/topic_templeceremonies.html


Hope that helps you out.

Answer 3

Matt 18:18 ..."Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven" They are not condemed to hell and lost forever. When excommunicated it's like the slate is wiped clean of ordinances and convenants they might have made. If they were to die without repenting and being refellowshiped and partaking in those ordinances again, such as baptism, basically they cannot claim the highest glory of heaven which is the celestial kingdom right away. They must work their way up again. And the three degrees of glory are based on 1 Cor. 15:40-41 40 [There are] also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial [is] one, and the [glory] of the terrestrial [is] another.
41 [There is] one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for [one] star differeth from [another] star in glory.
A person's salvation is up to them. But as it states as things are binding here as in heaven, they are also loosed in heaven. So basically if you mess up here without repenting, that follows you up there.
* And we are very adamant about being honest, and true. And it is all based on the words of Jesus. For another reference, check out Matt 16:19 YOU've just got things mixed up. Just because someone might be uneducated about soemthing doesn't mean the other person is lying. Look into things further without such hateful emotions and you might find that these things that you are getting so upset about aren't even what we believe. Just a suggestion.

Answer 4

As an ex-mormon, a person would have to do something bad accordimg to the church to be disfellowshiped or excommunicated, such as be gay, or maybe have their spouce tell the bishopbrick, they were caught cheating, the big ones are speaking against the 12 apostles or siding with an issue like abortion or the ERA or feminism, trying to get women to hold the preisthood, trying to find actual scientific fact that back up the book of Mormon and speakign againsts the fact that there is none, like the aregeology record proves their barely is none about the civilaztion that was suppose ot be spread acrossed north and South America. They eccentially are againstt he teachings of the church, so the church sees no reason in disconnecting itself with them and telling them that their names will be erased from the mountain records and that their eternal salvation is now doomed. I would not be concerned about my salvation, in fact I wish they would excommunicate me so they would stop sending the next batch of missionaries over to my house. I wish I was never stupid when I was a nonmormon and told them (when I got to the state I am currently in) that I use to be a mormon) that I use to be a mormon. Their is only one ward in this community and the mormons sem to be everywhere and there seem to be a lot from Utah (because they still have their utah state licence on their cars) .

Answer 5

There is no lie. When someone is excommunicated, it's because of sin so bad that the Holy Ghost has left totally, and that they need to be totally excused from the sacred covenants they made with God, so as to have complete freedom to repent.

Jesus does not intend to allow unrepentant sinners into the presence of God. Even if you have accepted Christ as your saviour, if you are unrepentant of your sins, you are not going to be allowed into His presence.

Excommunication/disfellowshipment is not a punishment, it is more discipline, to help them to repent of their sins, and be allowed once more to make their sacred covenants with God and join His church again.

Answer 6

it is clear that you been reading the anti-Mormon literature. If your truly sincere about wanting to know how The church of Jesus Christ of Later-Day Saints thinks & beleives, you can contact them to get information. You also need to look at the motivations of the organization that you got these questions from. Then fast, pray, & meditate on the tiformation that you reseave, deside what is true, yourself

Answer 7

i received't be able to reply to all of your questions yet there is one i will SPECULATE on. at the same time as Adam transgressed he had blood. i imagine the blood in basic terms represents lack of life, and the clarification Jesus had blood is because he might want to die no longer because he grow to be a sinner, endure in options god said in case you devour the fruit you'll die. properly, they ate the fruit and the blood represented that they were mortals. for sure blood is a representation of sin and it is also a representation of the atonement. A unmarried image can represent many aspects.

Answer 8

While I take some pride in exposing the weaknesses and outright tragic falsehoods embedded in mormon doctrine, your questions are generally nonsensical, arrogant, duplicitous and not all that thought-provoking. It's not even 'provoking'. We need a better field.

Comparing the Bible to the BoM verse for verse is a waste of time and energy for both sides since all verses taken singularly can mean anything you want. I can even "prove" the building of mormon temples is wrong according to the BoM using your line of thinking.

Answer 9

no elder of our Church can take away the fact that we shall all go before the father and his son for they are the alpha and omega. you can be excommunicated for not following the rules governed by the church but all Church's can excommunicate you for going against there teachings.

Answer 10

When someone, such as yourself, has such a huge chip on your shoulder, it is obvious that your question is loaded and leading. Why do you care about the Mormon church? Have you been excommunicated or dis fellowshipped? If the answer is 'yes' then you need to search your heart, no the internet for answers.
I have the answers to your questions.