Creationist. Do you have any knowledge in history?

Question

Did you know that Galileo Galilei disprove the following passage? With SCIENCE

Psalm 93:1, Psalm 96:10, and Chronicles 16:30 state that "the world is firmly established, it cannot be moved." Psalm 104:5 says, "[the LORD] set the earth on its foundations; it can never be moved." Ecclesiastes 1:5 states that "the sun rises and the sun sets, and hurries back to where it rises."

Do you know what happened in his time? He was required to take back his heliocentric ideas; the idea that the Sun is stationary was condemned as "formally heretical."

Doesn't this sound a lot like what churches are doing to Evolution today? Yes, indeed it does only with a minor difference....religious people know that they don't have the same power as before to ban true knowledge so they made up a phony 'theory', a so called 'ism' to be played right along side with real facts, evidence, observation, and calculation.

Yes, history tends to repeat itself. Do you agree with me? if you do, please say AMEN!

If you disagree then please tell me how you live with yourself knowing that you WOULD percecute Galileo for his ideas. Now that is definitely not what God taught you in his commandments.

wow I am smart xD

Answer 1

sorry you are misrepresting history. Galileo got into trouble by the why he conducted his science and complaining againtist the pope. here is how the Galileo conflict went down.

Galileo Was Right
By Chuck Colson
10/20/1995

Debunking Old Myths


Galileo was right after all, the headlines blared a few months ago.

The news reports announced that the Roman Catholic Church officially revoked its condemnation of Galileo, imposed more than three centuries ago. Pope John Paul II admitted that the Church made a tragic mistake in forcing Galileo to recant his conviction that the earth goes around the sun.

The story of Galileo has always provided rich fodder for critics of religion. They love to cite it as the textbook case of Christian hostility to science.

But the real story is not a simple tale of good guys versus bad guys. As Nancy Pearcey and Charles Thaxton point out in their book The Soul of Science, the Pope who condemned Galileo was not opposed to his scientific ideas. In fact, he was once a member of a group of Galileo's supporters.

What really concerned the Pope was not Galileo's science but the way he used science to attack the philosophy taught by the Catholic Church, which it had adapted from Aristotle.

You see, Aristotle offered a comprehensive philosophy covering not only metaphysics and ethics but also biology, physics, and astronomy. But when Galileo built the first telescope and aimed it at the heavens, he discovered that Aristotle was dreadfully mistaken in his astronomy. For example, Aristotle taught that the sun was perfect, but Galileo discovered sunspots and other "imperfections."

Soon Galileo was attacking all of Aristotle's philosophy. He hoped to replace it with a new mechanistic philosophy that treated the world as a vast machine, operating solely by mathematical laws, with God as the Great Mechanic.

That's when Catholic authorities got worried. They saw clearly that Galileo was not just addressing scientific questions—that instead he was attacking Aristotelianism as an entire system. But Aristotle taught a classical view of ethics that many theologians appealed to in defending biblical ethics. They were afraid that Galileo's scathing attacks could destroy the moral basis for the social order.

It was this concern for morality and social order, not any hostility to science, that motivated the Catholic hierarchy to oppose Galileo. The conflict was not between religion and science per se, but between Christians holding different world views: the Aristotelian world view and the competing mechanistic world view.

The fact is that Christianity itself is not inherently hostile to science. If it were, we would be hard-pressed to explain why so many founders of modern science were Christians. Copernicus, Kepler, Boyle, and Newton studied creation in order to glorify the Creator. Galileo himself insisted that his target was Aristotle only, not the Bible, in which he firmly believed.

It's time for Christians to stop being defensive about our history. Don't sit passively when you hear those old charges that Christianity is an enemy of science. Debunk that myth with a true account of history.

The history of science is largely a story of Christians debating how to understand God's relationship in the world. Whether it's Galileo on the Leaning Tower of Pisa or Newton with his apple, Western science is a rich history of Christians putting their faith into action.

and the science of evolution is not a provable science but of course you know this. but then you are repeating history by misrepresting what is the thruth.

Answer 2

I think everyone is pretty well acquainted with the fact that Galileo was deemed a heretic in his day. And most people now believe that the earth is round and revolves on its axis as well as around the sun. (Folks in the Flat Earth Society excepted). However, we still to this day speak in terms of sunrise and sunset because from our perspective here on earth that is what is occurring even though we KNOW it is not the case.

Which only proves that people can and do believe the wrong things! News Flash! Galileo was obviously on the cutting edge and in the end was proven correct and all was forgiven; his was not beheaded, stoned to death or burned at the stake.

Here is an interesting link regarding the origins of flat earth and the early church.
http://www.christiananswers.net/q-aig/aig-c034.html

Here then are some Bible verses you might wish to contemplate there are more but this gives you the fact that even though the thought of the day may have been flat earth these inspired men seem to have known otherwise.

The stars are too great in number to count: Genesis 15:5, 1450-1410 BC:
Jeremiah 33:22, 627-585 BC: Hebrews 11:12, 64-68 AD - 19th Century AD with the advent of powerful telescopes. Prior to this, most thought there were no more than 6,000 stars (what could be seen with the naked eye from all points on the earth).

The Earth is shaped like a sphere (round) and rotates Isaiah 40:22 746-680 BC Luke 17:34-36 60 AD

Also, Luke 17:34-36 depicts Christ's Second Coming as happening while some are asleep at night and others are working at day-time activities in the field, an indication of a rotating earth with day and night at the same time.

The sun is is moving through space in a huge orbit: Psalms 19:4-6 About 1000 BC It was only recently discovered that the Sun is moving through space at about 600,000 miles per hour, in an orbit that would take an estimated 230,000,000 years to complete.

Note: There is another interpretation of this verse that suggests its talking about how the Sun appears to rise in the East and sets in the West (from Earth's perspective). It is quite possible that this verse is not referring to the Sun's orbital path at all.

Answer 3

Creationists and evolutionists have the same evidence, it is just the way they interpret the evidence which is different. Evolutionists look at the world with the preconceived idea of millions and billions of years and they try to fit the evidence into this timescale. Example: An evolutionist will look at Grand Canyon and will say that the tiny little stream running at the bottom must have carved it over millions of years, a very slow process which fits with their viewpoint. On the other hand Creationists have the viewpoint that the earth is only 6,000 years old, so when they look at Grand Canyon they say his must have been carved in a matter of days from the runoff of the flood. It must have occurred only 4,000 years ago when the mountains were lifted up and the water ran of the earth, a very quick process which fits their timescale. Those are basically the only two viewpoints in this world and I would rather trust God at what he says in his Holy Word rather than fallible man who has been proven wrong many times in the past. Just look back in history to when most people thought that the earth was the center of our solar system. Those who rejected this theory were banished. Man's word can not be trusted and I will only put my trust in God and His Word which never changes, hopefully you will too for in the end at the judgment you will realize that their is a God who is merciful, but who hates sin. He destroyed everyone on earth except Noah and his family because of the world's wickedness and in the coming judgement he will utterly destroy the entire globe with fire and only those who have trusted in His Son, who died for our sins, will be saved from this coming judgment.

Answer 4

Do ansewr the first question, yes we have a knowledge of history, we have a Bible that takes us through the beginning of time to the end of time. Now lets look at your following statements... Psalm, was written by David, and Ecclesiastes by Solomon. They were divinely inspired books, but although God is doing the inspiring humans can only write down according to their understanding. Marco Polo went to China, and when got back told people of black stones that burned (coal), cloth that refused to catch fire (asbestos) serpants 10 paces long with jaws wide enough to swallow a man (Crocodiles) and nuts the size of a persons head(coconuts). Marco could only explain things the way he understood them. As far as David and Solomon knew, the sun rose, set, then rose again. To their view the sun was circling around them daily. Also remember Solomon was a poet and used imagery, even if the sun did orbit the hurth it doesnt physically "hurry back to where it rises", thats just poetry. And as far as the earth never being moved, it can't. None of us can physically move the Earth to another place. Nor can we alter its rotation. Its 'firmly established' orbiting around the sun, just the way God intended it.

Answer 5

I think you've misinterpreted those passages. No I wouldn't persecute Gallileo.

There's another interesting one I like (which I believe refers to the movement of the continents). (I'll just go and find it....)

Added: Ah, here it is:

1 Chr. 1: 19, 25
19 And unto Eber were born two sons: the name of the one was Peleg; because in his days the earth was divided: and his brother’s name was Joktan.

I'm sure I could be wrong - friends of mine have said that this reference refers to political or spiritual division, but I like to think it is talking about the continents and Gondwana land. Not very scientific of me, is it? Ha, I don't care. Not everything can be scientifically proven... yet.

Answer 6

It surely took a long time for science to realize that Chronicles and Psalms and Ecclesiastes were writing junk. Where was Science in the days of Abraham?

Answer 7

-WHY DON'T you try and get even 1 fact right!-if you think you might be capable of that great effort ! Your know it all attitude, sounds like the clergy who have misrepresented the Bible from Constantines time on!
--If you bothered to check some reliable modern translations you might have saved yourself some embarrassment!

--SCRIPTURES FIRST:
(Psalm 93:1) "93 Jehovah himself has become king! With eminence he is clothed; Jehovah is clothed—with strength he has girded himself. The productive land also becomes firmly established so that it cannot be made to totter."
--(Again the land , productive not the entire planet is referrenced here--YOU CAN'T EVEN GET the context right

(Psalm 96:10) 10 Say among the nations: “Jehovah himself has become king. The productive land also becomes firmly established so that it cannot be made to totter. He will plead the cause of the peoples in uprightness.”
(Has the land lasted despite the pollution that has poured upon it)

--IF YOU BOTHERED to get the right text you would see that the mountains, the seas etc. are also firmly established as this text shows:

(Psalm 24:1-2) 24 "To Jehovah belong the earth and that which fills it, The productive land and those dwelling in it.  2 For upon the seas he himself has solidly fixed it, And upon the rivers he keeps it firmly established."

--The earth has been around some 4-5 billion years--DOES THAT NOT SOUND AS if it is firmly established?
--NOT EVERYONE seeing your silly questions are creationists!

--Galileo had no arguement against the Bible , it was the established church that had a wrong view of the Bibles' reference to the STABILITY of the earth not as the center of the universe!

*** Multiple Articles ***

*** w05 4/1 Science and Religion—The Birth of a Conflict ***

The Conflict Becomes Heated
--Next on the scene was Italian astronomer, mathematician, and physicist Galileo Galilei (1564-1642), also a Catholic. Using telescopes that he built incorporating the newly invented lens, Galileo saw the heavens in unprecedented detail. His observations convinced him that Copernicus was correct. Galileo also saw spots on the sun, today called sunspots, thus challenging another cherished philosophical and religious tenet—that the sun is not subject to change or decay.
--Unlike Copernicus, Galileo was bold and zealous in promoting his ideas. And he did so in a more hostile religious environment, for the Catholic Church had by then become openly opposed to the Copernican theory. Hence, when Galileo argued that not only was the heliocentric concept correct but it harmonized with Scripture, the church smelled heresy.
--Galileo went to Rome to defend himself but to no avail. In 1616 the church ordered him to stop advocating Copernicus. Galileo was silenced for a time. Then in 1632 he published another work in support of Copernicus. The very next year, the Inquisition sentenced Galileo to life imprisonment. Out of consideration for his age, however, they quickly commuted the sentence to house arrest.
--Many view Galileo’s conflict with the church as a great triumph of science over religion and, by extension, over the Bible. However, as we shall see in the next article, this simplistic conclusion ignores many facts.
--Galileo unnecessarily made powerful enemies for himself by his quick wit and cutting sarcasm. Also, by arguing that the heliocentric concept HARMONIZED WITH SCRIPTURE(my caps) he presented himself as an authority on religion, which further provoked the church."

*** g92 3/22 p. 3 Galileo’s Telescope—Only the Beginning! ***

"WHEN Galileo turned his newly invented telescope to the sky, a whole new vision swam into view. He could see ten times as many stars as any man had ever before seen. The Milky Way now appeared, not as a nebulous mass, but as a kaleidoscope of countless stars, great and small. The moon’s surface was transformed before his eyes from a lustrous porcelain into a mosaic of mountains, craters, and waterless seas.
--A few months later, he spotted four of the moons of Jupiter. Then he saw the beautiful rings of Saturn. Directing his telescope to Venus, he noticed certain phases of the planet, subtle changes in illumination and apparent shape. These phases could be explained only if the planet moved around the sun. But if one planet moves around the sun, the others—including the earth—must do so also, he concluded. He was right. Thus, in the year 1609, the earth was toppled from its hallowed pedestal as the alleged center of the universe.
--But venerated beliefs were not easily abandoned. The Catholic Church ruled that “the view that the earth is not the center of the universe and even has a daily rotation is . . . at least an erroneous belief.” Galileo was hauled before the Inquisition and spent the last years of his life under house arrest. Religious dogmatism, however, could not check the curiosity that the invention of the telescope had raised. The challenge of unlocking the secrets of the universe attracted a growing number of scientists.
--Now, after nearly four hundred years of intensive scrutiny, our knowledge of the universe has increased dramatically. Different types of stars, such as red giants, white dwarfs, and pulsars, have been identified. Recently, quasars—enigmatic objects that emit prodigious amounts of energy—have been detected in the outer reaches of space. And mysterious black holes—like unimaginably powerful cosmic whirlpools—are now believed to lurk unseen in many galaxies.
--Powerful optical telescopes enable astronomers to peer far into space and thereby in effect journey billions of years back in time, to the very edge of the visible universe. A vast array of stars and galaxies have been discovered, some so distant that their light is calculated to have taken more than 15 billion years to reach us."

Answer 8

Yes!

In the Beginning God Created the Heaven and the Earth.

Answer 9

The problem is you are taking everything literally in the Bible in order to try to make it look funny. The problem is, the Bible is literature that isnt meant to be interpreted literally all the time. Was Jesus actually saying that Peter was literally Satan? Is Jesus literally a grape vine like he said?

I think you are living proof we need to start teaching Biblical theology in schools again instead of atheistic philosophy.

Answer 10

Do not look for any organized relgion's doctrine to be entirely
self-consistant.

That's not what religion is for.

Religion offers spiritual guidance, gives you a sense of community
and a common sense of purpose.

None of the big religions are entirely free of inconsistancies.