Why do Christian organizations insist on LYING to their constituents??

Question

Soon to enter the House of Representatives is HR 1592, a bill designed to protect EVERYONE against hate crimes, including crimes against a person's race, religion or sexual orientation.
The full body of the bill can be read here: http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h110-1592

Now, here are some quotes from wholesome Christian sources:
"Despite what its advocates say, this is not about crime -- it's about special treatment," said the Family Research Council. "HR 1592 would further carve out 'tiers' of victims, putting more importance on crimes committed against a Rosie O'Donnell than against her next-door neighbor."

http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewCulture.asp?Page=/Culture/archive/200704/CUL20070426b.html

"By refusing to accept the amendment on religious freedom, the Democrats have proven their purpose is to silence Christians," stated TVC Chairman Rev. Louis P. Sheldon.

http://www.traditionalvalues.org/modules.php?sid=3064

The fact is, that the bill tries dilligently to cover ALL people in the United States. The reason that specific parties must be named, is because it's such a huge problem in our country that a person who would otherwise be considered innocent of any crime could be attacked based on something they can't help - who they are.

This also means that those of you who consider these Christian news sources to be "honest and truthful" should think again. Those quotes are taken directly from the sources I cited, and neither of them is true. The TRUTH is that Christianity sees homosexuality as wrong, and because it will now be considered a protected group under the legislation, they feel they are losing a moral foothold in society and have conjured up an alleged "attack" against them because the rest of the country isn't going along with their self righteousness and bigotry.

Yes, I'm afraid if you put more overall importance on your own beliefs as what should be everyone's standard, then you are a bigot. Wear your badges proudly as yes-men and do what the religious powers have told you to do and request a "no" vote on the bill from your representative.

On the other hand, you could gather the facts and think for yourself.




PLEASE - give a star, and pass along this much needed information.

Answer 1

You do know that in Canada where this kind of legislation has been approved it is now illegal for pastors to say from there pulpits that homosexuality is a sin and they can be arrested for hate speach and have been. Whether you agree with them on this issue is not the point. It is what they believe and in the confines of their on church they should be permitted to teach from their bible.

Its a slippery slope. Just because you think its a good thing doesn't make it so. Murder is murder. There shouldn't be a special catagory for Hate crimes for murder. Assult is assult there shouldn't be a special catagory of hate crimes for assulte etc etc. All those crimes should have punishment metted out fairly and equally. Wow you do realize that "hate Crimes" is a special non exisitant rule that godless people are trying to force on everyone don't you? And you call christians hypocrites.

Oh and by the way Christian organizations have been lying to the constituents for centuries its nothing new. Thank God we now have bibles and can examine what they say to see if it is true or not. Open up your bibles christians and check out your doctrines for yourselves.

Answer 2

Well I agree that the whole righteous judgment can be very trick, I guess the point that can be made is that most of the people who claim to be a Christian aren't. You know it because they don't obey the things Jesus said in the least. They get angry, bicker, fight, are selfish, and they have no conviction. So really it isn't judging to say to a person you aren't Christian when they are living in sin. It's just stating a fact since the Bible is clear that those who walk after the flesh will not get into heaven. Christianity is in decline really because people don't want to part from sin. This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but people loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil. ( John 3:19)

Answer 3

I see your point, but the FRC (and organizations like it) is correct: the Constitution prohibits this law, since it promotes unequal justice. Instead of cutting and pasting several misleading bits, why not post the whole thing?

"While the Family Research Council strongly opposes violent crimes against people or property, regardless of their motive, this legislation would establish one penalty for an individual's actions, and an additional penalty for the politically incorrect thoughts that allegedly motivated those actions. Penalizing people specifically for their thoughts would undermine the freedom of speech and thought that is the heart of our democracy. And favoring some victims of violent crimes over other victims of equally violent crimes violates the principle of "equal protection under the law" guaranteed by the Fourteenth Amendment.

HR 254 and HR 1592 would radically expand the power of the federal government by usurping local laws and law enforcement while providing no evidence that local authorities are failing to investigate, prosecute, and punish violent crimes against homosexuals or other groups included in this bill. It is important to note that such laws have been used in other countries to punish Christians who openly oppose homosexuality. Although HR 254 targets only an offender who "willfully causes bodily injury" or "attempts to cause bodily injury," its passage would undoubtedly pave the way for future expansions of its scope to include so-called "hate speech," like laws used in Canada, Sweden, Australia and elsewhere to fine and or imprison Christians for preaching Biblical truth about human sexuality."

So you can see, with this additional information, all Americans of all races, faiths, abilities, sexual practices, etc. should be alarmed.

So who's dishonest -- the FRC or you?

Answer 4

I do not understand the reason for hate crime laws. Murder is a hate crime regardless of race. If two people of the same race is involved with a crime then it is still hate crime. The laws we already have on the book should be enough.

Answer 5

There are lots of people who would laugh at the possibility of changing their fates. This is because it believes that nobody gets more that exactly what is put in his fate.

Answer 6

This is a violation of free speech. Preaching what the Bible says about homosexuality will become a crime punishable by law, just like it is in Canada.

Answer 7

it is funny how the people on the left are always trying to limit peoples speech. and there are aleady hate crimes laws on the books . you are right out lying.

The Thought Police
By Chuck Colson
5/1/2007

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What the Hate Crimes Law Would Do


In George Orwell’s classic novel 1984, the government Thought Police constantly spies on citizens to make sure they are not thinking rebellious thoughts. Thought crimes are severely punished by Big Brother.

1984 was intended as a warning against totalitarian governments that enslave and control their citizens. Never have we needed this warning more urgently than now, because America’s Thought Police are knocking on your door.

Last week the House Judiciary Committee, egged on by radical homosexual groups, passed what can only be called a Thought Crimes bill. It’s called the Local Law Enforcement Hate Crimes Prevention Act. But this bill is not about hate. It’s not even about crime. It’s about outlawing peaceful speech—speech that asserts that homosexual behavior is morally wrong.

Some say we need this law to prevent attacks on homosexuals. But we already have laws against assaults on people and property. Moreover, according to the FBI, crimes against homosexuals in the United States have dropped dramatically in recent years. In 2005, out of 863,000 cases of aggravated assault, just 177 cases were crimes of bias against homosexuals—far less than even 1 percent.

Another problem is that in places where hate crimes laws have been passed, hate crimes have been defined to include verbal attacks—and even peaceful speech. The Thought Police have already prosecuted Christians under hate crimes laws in England, Sweden, Canada, and even in some places in the United States.

If this dangerous law passes, pastors who preach sermons giving the biblical view of homosexuality could be prosecuted. Christian businessmen who refuse to print pro-gay literature could be prosecuted. Groups like Exodus International, which offer therapy to those with unwanted same-sex attraction, could be shut down.

In classic 1984 fashion, peaceful speech will be redefined as a violent attack worthy of punishment.

This is the unspoken goal of activist groups. We know this because during the debate over the bill last week, Congressman Mike Pence (R) of Indiana offered a Freedom of Religion amendment to this hate crimes bill. It asked that nothing in this law limit the religious freedom of any person or group under the Constitution. The committee refused to adopt it. It also refused to adopt amendments protecting other groups from hate crimes—like members of the military, who are often targets of verbal attacks and spitting. They also shot down amendments that would protect the homeless and senior citizens, also often targeted by criminals. Nothing doing, the committee said—the only group they wanted to protect: homosexuals.

Clearly, the intent of this law is not to prevent crime, but to shut down freedom of speech, freedom of religion, and freedom of thought. Its passage would strike at the very heart of our democracy.

The full Congress may vote on this bill as early as this week. Unless you want Big Brother telling you what to say, what to think, and what to believe, I urge you to contact your congressman immediately, urging him or her to vote against this bill. If you visit the BreakPoint website, you’ll find more information about this radical law.

If we do nothing, 1984 will no longer be fiction, and Big Brother will be watching you and me—ready to punish the “wrong” thoughts.

Answer 8

because they dont want to lose that power, if they can control everything and say that they are fully right, and they lose all opposition, they could be the dominance of the world, instead of living side by side with people who want peace, they insist on trying to control those people, with their religious wars, and constant door nagging.

Answer 9

I don't vote-sorry :0(

But those "Christian news" organizations are a joke!

Even I know that! :)

Answer 10

blah, blah, blah, politics is all in the eye of the beholder buddy.