Why are illegal aliens and their supporters so warped as to use children to wash their dirty linen?

Question

We complain when terrorists use their children as their shields. These ilegal aliens and their supporters are no morally better than the terrorists in indoctrinating children for their illegal cause.
Why are law breaking parents giving us hogwash about having to separate from their children when they get deported? Maybe these school dropouts or too uneducated parents don't realize that it's more important for them and it is a parent's duty to bring their kids back with them to raise than leave them behind in the US. Many skilled foreigners and non-law breakers, legally here on H1 or short-term visas or tourist visas don't leave their children behind upon returning home.. Many have babies born here. Are the illegal aliens and their supporters too stupid too realize that those kids born in America don't completely lose their American citizenship. These kids can always opt to return to the US whenever they wish. It's their problem for want to leave their children behind, not the US!

Any lawbreaker, determined to leave their children behind, when he/she is deported back to his/her country, only shows his/her irresponsibility as a parent. Goes to show that illegal aliens are not only nuts in lwanting to risk death in trying to cross the burders, but are not fit to be parents by their choice of leaving their children upon deportation. We don't see those, with short-term legal workers, who subsequently return home,, leaving their children here and whining. Illegal citizens are whiners - they whine in their country of origin to risk their lives to cross the borders, only to continue whining over here. These sort of people always carry bad baggage from their countries and don't seem to understand real American values! Their children will very like grow up to be whiners, like those activists who support them.

Adults who use children as their shields do invite public criticisms of their children.

Parents who think that others should be responsible for their kids are unfit to be parents. There is never any better place for a child than a place with responsible parents taking care of him/her. Poor responsible parents have raised successful kids. Irresponsible parents just want to wash their hands off their kids and put them up for adoption!

As long as there are illegals here, they will influence dirty sweatshops (like those Poster Cantcu mentions) created to make them slaves and benefit from their stupidity. Senators and churches shielding illegals are merely kowtowing to the creation of dirty businesses looking for slave workers.

Samia, don't bring your hogwash about illegal aliens marrying US citizen. Anyone - illegal or illegal - marrying an American citizen has the right to apply for resident clearance... unless the illegal spouse is a real criminal and hiding in the US!

And a note to Poster goldenrae: Sure I whine, and have a right to. I'm protective of my homeland America and will continue to whine against anyone who kowtows to law-breakers. And I don't whine foe want to take the sides of lawbreakers and irresponsible parents who use kids as shields!

Psi Chi, using names is important. Why, it's making my point in response to the person's post. If one is afraid of facing response over a post, why bother to post?

Another note to Psi Chi: Are you surprised that decent Americans are sick and tired of illegal aliens who are low-based law breakers giving us so much unnecessary problems, especially during times when America's security is supposed to be top of America's agenda? Never forget that one doesn't need counselling when one is on the side of the law! It's the lawbreakers, endangering this nation, who are the problem.

Answer 1

Don't you know that they will use anything and everything to let them get amnesty !
It's not our fault that they come here just to have their kids here . What other country do you know where a baby can be a legal citizen of one country and their parents aren't
The media wouldn't cover the , Hold Their Feed to the Fire in Washington DC last week , but they will the protest ing ILLEGALS this May 1st .

Answer 2

Well, first of all. Parents realize that the opportunity for their native born child is much greater in the US than in their home country.

Beyond that if you are raised in the US your home country is the US. Therefore to go back to the parent's home country displaces the child. Often they do not know the culture or are completely fluent in the country's native language. There are a lot complex issues involved with this. As an ESL teacher I saw a few examples of this. It is very sad. It is a lose/lose situation for the child.

Edit: Any parent who wishes to improve their child's quality of life is not irresponsible. Spend some time rural Central America. You might change your perspective. Also the people who usually leave their children behind have been in the country for a while and then deported. As for the bad baggage, what do you mean exactly? We have our own baggage. And absolutely they don't understand US values, they are immigrants. Legal immigrants have the same issue. Oh and as for, "their children will very like grow up to be whiners, like those activists who support them" the only one I see whining here is you.

Answer 3

Because the U.S. Montra seems to be "Do it for the children". If you want a school referendum passed tell people that the children need it. If you want something done relate it to children. Children have become the U.S. Trojan Horse. People who don't give two hoots about the law will use anyone, anything, anytime to get what they want and children are no exception. Don't forget, children are picking up their parents' beliefs and are vowing to continue their parents' fights all over the world. In Vietnam children would get U.S. soldiers to feed them and take them in and then while the soldiers were asleep the little brats would kill our soldiers. That didn't make the news very often -- except with William Calley massacred the Vietnamese. In Iraq, the children are packing bombs and even using toys as vehicles to transport and detonate bombs. But people refuse to believe that children can think and that children are capable of becoming soldiers for their cause. Hitler used the children. Wake up! In the USA, 12 year olds have been tried as adults for committing murder and other heinous crimes. Children are not all that innocent and parents and others are quite capable to using them to further their illegal activities.

Answer 4

What would be your solution to this scenario?
Female enters the US illegally then meets US citizen boyfriend get married have child. Child is born with under developed lungs. Thus, having to deal with asthma for the rest of his life. Immigration is about to deport mother. Were should her child go. A) Child goes back to mother's home country and risk dieing of an asthma attack or B) stay with father who now needs to work OT to be able to pay for trips abroad and have money for babysitter and be able to send some money to wife.

This is why we need immigration reform in this country.

Edit--- That's the point THAT THE US does not have any laws that would help people in this predicament. In extreme cases like this. The government should be able to help and not separate. LORD forbid you were ever in this type of predicament. So close minded. Were is you humanity?

Answer 5

Why are you so angry and using people's names to insult them? Can't you play nice? Counseling?

You are not getting anything out of venting out here. It sounds like you get more aggravated every time someone opposes your view. It just does not look healthy to me.

Answer 6

What do you expect of people who have absolutely no respect for a country's laws, and flaunt that disrespect with some sort of absurd pride .

Answer 7

When parents are arrested, whatever the crime, they are separated from their families. It is a good reason not to commit the crime, but is not a good reason not to enforce the law.

Answer 8

oh they are criminals. Not so. Being an illegal is a civil offense.

Hogwash when they arte used as slave labor!

ICE arrests 15 aliens in Roswell working for U.S. military contractor
ROSWELL, N.M. - U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) special agents today arrested 15 illegal aliens who were working for a local company here that is under contract to paint U.S. military aircraft, including Lockheed C-130 military aircraft.
Some of the aliens were in the process of painting these aircraft when they were arrested.
Federal agents today executed a search warrant at Dean Baldwin Painting Inc., 82 Earl Cumming Loop, Hangar 1083, in Roswell, N.M. ICE was assisted in the investigation by the following agencies: U.S. Department of Defense, Office of Inspector General; Defense Criminal Investigative Service; U.S. Department of Labor; Social Security Administration, Office of Inspector General; and U.S. Customs and Border Protection, Border Patrol (CBPBP).
The aliens were arrested after they were determined to be illegally residing and working in the United States. Those arrested are citizens of Mexico, El Salvador and Guatemala
http://www.ice.gov/pi/news/newsreleases/articles/060829roswell.htm
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TIMCO Arrests
The March 8th arrests of 27 illegal aliens working at aviation maintenance contractor TIMCO, in North Carolina, has highlighted the risks inherent in outsourcing flight-critical aircraft maintenance work. The illegal immigrants arrested by Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) agents had been working at TIMCO’s Greensboro overhaul facility for varying amounts of time, and were citizens of eight different countries: Chile, Laos, Mexico, Peru, the Philippines, Sudan, Venezuela and Zimbabwe.
This raises serious security concerns. TIMCO isn’t some obscure maintenance vendor doing oil changes for private aircraft — it does overhaul work for United Airlines and Delta Airlines, as well as major freight carriers like FedEx. As a recent USA Today article on the arrests noted, Sudan and the Philippines are countries of “special interest” for terrorist activity, according to the Homeland Security Administration, and two illegal immigrants from each country were among those arrested. There’s no evidence that anyone who was arrested had malicious intentions, but as Thomas O’Connell, chief Greensboro agent for ICE, points out, this still represents a big security hole. "When an individual uses fraudulent documents, it hides their true identity and history,” he said in a statement on the arrests. “As the 9/11 Commission pointed out, the United States cannot risk having 'unknown' people working in or near its critical infrastructure."
In addition to the security problems presented by a vendor workforce that’s transient and whose backgrounds are impossible to verify, the situation at vendors has the potential to harm safety and quality of work as well. Employees at vendors tend to be less experienced, and FAA-certified technicians oversee teams of unskilled laborers, while virtually every technician employed directly by an airline has an FAA certification. This means that at the vendors, work on aircraft usually isn’t signed off as airworthy by the person who actually completed the repair.
"TIMCO hired [illegal immigrants] because they are cheap," said Gail Dunham president of the National Air Disaster Alliance. "When people's lives are on the line, they should be hiring the very best people, not the cheapest," she added. (“Arrests raise air-safety concerns,” Greensboro News-Record.) Technicians working at airlines that outsource work have reported many examples of shoddy work coming back from vendors.
http://www.aviationoutsourcing.com/timco_arrests.htm


The problem isn't the raid, it's the sweatshop

The raid at the Michael Bianco factory in New Bedford presents a disturbing case of turning a blind eye to the perpetrator while punishing the victim. The tragedy that separated mothers and children and has jailed hard-working honest wage earners puts a merciless and glaring spotlight on the miserable conditions that prevail in the industries that provide soft goods - uniforms and linens - to national, state and local governments. It is an opportunity to go beyond finger pointing - who informed whom of what and when - and to address the conditions that the Bianco workers face.
The exposure of a sweatshop in Massachusetts producing for a federal government contract should make us wonder about the labor conditions in factories producing apparel and other products that may be bought by the Commonwealth of Massachusetts.

A federal immigration policy that puts up 12 million residents and over 6 million workers in a shadowy world without rights is clearly untenable. Abraham Lincoln taught us this lesson 150 years ago - we cannot be a nation half slave and half free. A path to legal residence is imperative for workers like those in New Bedford - and all U.S. workers will benefit by eliminating an underclass of exploitable residents whose presence allows unscrupulous employers to drive down wages and conditions in industries like apparel.

And there is another action step we should aim for here in Massachusetts: Urge Governor Deval Patrick to join the Governor's Coalition for Sweatfree Procurement and Worker Rights.

Michael Bianco produces mostly under government contract. While the Department of Defense has suspended it from future contracts, Michael Bianco continues to fill current orders under government contract and is hiring new employees to fill the place of those detained by Immigration and Customs Enforcement. The new employees are being hired at the same low wages and there is no talk by the factory owner of improving working conditions.

This harms immigrant workers and their families, and does not help workers anywhere. How will labor conditions improve if each time violations are found, workers are removed but conditions stay the same and future contracts are cut?

Responding to problems like the Bianco factory, a community-based national anti-sweatshop network, SweatFree Communities, has been formed to get large buyers with clout - government purchasers - to demand improvement of conditions when labor violations are exposed.