How can the Trinity bring peace and unity on the earth when the Trinity Concept brings so much confusion ?

Question

God will only unite Mankind on Monotheism.

Everything other than pure Monotheism will create chaos and confusion just as the very concept of the Triune God creates confusion.


‘Christ according to the faith, is the second person in the Trinity, the Father being the first and the holy Ghost the third. Each of these three persons is God. Christ is his own father and his own son. The Holy Ghost is neither father nor son, but both. The son was begotten by the father, but existed before he was begotten--just the same before as after. Christ is just as old as his father, and the father is just as young as his son. The Holy Ghost proceeded from the Father and Son, but was an equal to the Father and Son before he proceeded, that is to say before he existed, but he is of the same age as the other two. Nothing ever was, nothing ever can be more perfectly idiotic and absurd than the dogma of the Trinity.’----- Col. Robert G. Ingersoll


One god sends another down to earth. The god on earth prays to the god in heaven. The god in heaven is pleased with the god on earth. The god on earth says that the god in heaven is greater than he (the god on earth). The god on earth says he will later send a third god down to earth. The god in heaven forsakes the god on earth. The god on earth dies and goes to the god in heaven and sits by his side. That is polytheism for sure, one hundred percent. You can call it whatever you want, but it’s polytheism pure & simple.

God is not the author of confusion (I Cor. 14:33)

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The Israelites recieved Prophets and scripture for thousands of years and that is why the Jews also consider the Trinity a Polytheistic concept.



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Answer 1

look at the confusion the whole BIBLE creates. nobody can agree on it, hence you have hundreds of different denominations.

if THAT alone doesn't tell you how silly that cult book is, nothing will!

Answer 2

Dear friend, I don't think a short answer can suffice here. Let's break this down into an explanation of the meaning of the Trinity and then go forward.

I won't bore everyone to death with a long history lecture. Suffice it to say that the early church members were in great disagreement over the topic of the divinity of Christ. In the end, the forces in favor of that divinity concept won. St. Thomas Aquinas wrote a large multi-volume dissertation many years later which attempts to explain the Trinity concept. You can all be the judge of how successful that attempt was.

Try this simple explanation using a physical analogy:

Liken God, the Father to the sun up in the sky.
Liken Christ (or if you are Muslim, Mohammad, or if you are Buddhist, the Buddha, etc.) to a mirror.
If you were to gaze into the mirror which is angled properly, you would see the sun. In fact, while gazing into the mirror, you do not preceive the difference between the image in the mirror versus gazing at the sun. [Don't literally try that :) ]
Now, liken the Holy Spirit to the rays of light that depart from the sun, strike the mirror, and are reflected to us so that we may perceive the warmth and light.
Now think about what you perceive. You look into the mirror and you say: I see God. But, you are looking at a mirror, it is not physically God but as pure of a representation of God as we are able to perceive. It is not surprising that some looked at Christ and said that they see God, because THEY DID. Others saw a man, and THEY DID. Both sides of the debate were right in their own way.

Think about this: what if you were to directly go to the sun - you would incinerate. Likewise, we humans cannot withstand direct contact with God - we would melt away and cease to exist after being so overwhelmed with His Majesty and Glory, hence the need for those great Intermedaries between God and man. They deliver the Divine Message to us in a manner that we are able to understand and relate to.

More details are available at: http://info.bahai.org/article-1-4-0-3.html

That is the relationship of the Trinity. God is immensely exalted above our comprehension and far removed from our limitiations. Those wonderful figures in history which act as the Divine Educators are what Baha'is call "Manifestations of God" or "Messenger of God" and what some call Prophets (with a capital P, as distinguished from lesser prophets with a small p). Those Divine Educators are greater than man but are not God.

OK, now that the topic of Trinity is hopefully better explained, let's re-ask the question in a slightly different way: how will there be peace and unity on the earth? Dear friend, that is exactly the mission of the latest Messenger of God, which is once again a new enactment of that same Trinity concept. These Messengers have all been sent by God but it is up to us to investigate the truth and respond to the Message. If one believes in God, it is unconsionable to think that God would leave mankind without a new set of principles to deal with a world that has changed so much in the past 2000 years and indeed is going through the most turbulent time in its history.

I apologize if this seems too long-winded, however I don't think a shorter answer could have adequately scratched the surface on a mystery such as this.

I wish you all the best in your search after truth. ...Thomas

Answer 3

Well, the Catholic church would disagree. 2000 years and we understand it fine (as much as a human can understand it). I'm not sure how the basic concept is that difficult. Three distinct persons in one being. Each is seperate but each is the same. Now the HOW and the WHY are difficult (hence, called mysteries meaning beyong the ability of humans to understand) but that isn't necessary for us to accept it. Some also use it as a model for society. The three work together and do the job. It is NOT polytheism. That is your OPINION. You are missing the point of them being three in one. It is also interesting that we, as limited humans, often assume that since we can't understand it fully, then it is WRONG. That is arrogance on our part. Why does a certain quark of an atom go one way? You don't understand it? then that must be wrong, or some made up thing. Given the number of people who are fine with it, I'd say you are far from correct in thinking it will only happen as a monotheistic God. Heck, even if it was a purely seen monotheistic God, some people would STILL not believe. THAT's a fact.

Answer 4

I so agree.

Besides the scripture at 1 Corinthians 14:33 where it brings out how God is not a God of confusion, but a God of order, nowhere is there a scripture specifically stating that God, Jesus, and the Holy spirit are one.

And you'd think that the very basis of the Bible, the basis of worship, would be clearly stated right?

It is! In several scriptures, Jesus refers to himself as either the son of God, or being less than God. Never did he say he was equal to God or in a high position like God.
The highest he's stated is that he is at the right hand of God. That's clear enough for me.

The Trinitarian view has been affirmed as an article of faith by the Nicene (325/381) and Athanasian creeds (circa 500), which attempted to standardize belief in the face of disagreements on the subject. These creeds were formulated and ratified by the Church of the third and fourth centuries in reaction to heterodox theologies concerning the Trinity and/or Christ. The Nicene-Constantinopolitan Creed, revised in 381 by the second of these councils, is professed by the Eastern Orthodox Church and, with one addition (Filioque clause), the Roman Catholic Church, and has been retained in some form by most Protestant denominations.

Answer 5

The concept of the Trinity will not bring peace on Earth. The God of Abraham will if it happens at all. God is God and the Trinity is an effort to understand (God). It should also be said that God actually doesn't promise peace on Earth in Christianity.

JoMo

Answer 6

Tertulian, who first invented that dogma of the Trinity; was a cultist, he was part of the
Cultist movemesnt; Montanism. Montanus
and two women: Prisca and Maximilia
claimed to be the mouth piece of the Holy
Spirit. They profetised the return of Crist
for 177 ad. Since that didn't happen the cult dessapeard.

Answer 7

the trinity is a lie
the trinity was given it's big push 300 yrs after the Church started when a lot of other pagan customs where also added to make Constantine happy.

there is only One God
His Name is Jesus

Mar 12:29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:

James 2:19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.

Eph 4:5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
Eph 4:6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

Answer 8

Muslim, God is one. Why cant you grasp the obvious? When you die does one of you proceed while the other of your remains in the grave? Which one of you am I talking to now? body or spirit? are they both not one? Or are you a multiple person? We are created in the image of God having both body and spirit and they are one soul. Can a man be both body and spirit? If so is a man greater than God who must be limited to simply God. God is Father. Son and Holy Spirit and these are one God the same as you are body and spirit yet you are one living soul.

Answer 9

What's not to understand? God became the Holy ghost to impregnate Mary so she could give birth to Jesus and she became the mother of God? Then God arranged for Jesus (himself) to be killed so he could go to heaven & sit beside himself. Seems clear enough to me.

Especially since there is no proof that Jesus ever existed and Jesus himself never claimed to be God in the Bible. Jesus' actual words never claimed divinity. That was all made up decades or centuries after Jesus was supposed to have lived.

Answer 10

The Trinity is polytheism, however theologians try to word it. The idea of "three in one" or God as different states, like ice, water and gas still betokens a multiplicity. Even if they are all of "one essence" they are still multiple. This is not something that can be overcome and rephrased in a satisfactory way.

The Trinity could be broadly defined as a belief in a Godhead (in this case: a Divinity composed of separate entities) but not a single God.

The oneness of God implies that God is One in His Essence. That means, God is not divided into parts, persons, or stations. God the Father, mentioned in the Bible, Qur'an, Avesta etc. is the one and only God. Abraham, Moses, Zoroaster, Buddha, Jesus, Muhammad etc. are Manifestations of God and are created by Him. They are servants of God, prophets, Mirrors of God, but are not God Himself.

Answer 11

Religion and peace have little to do with each other. Consider Iraq, Iran, Palestine, Kashmir, Chechniya, Bosnia, and a number of other places. Granted, these are mostly not Christian disputes, but that isn't material -- it isn't the details of the religious tenets that matter, it is the fact that they are based on erroneous and dogmatic beliefs.