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All breeds were created by people via selective breeding of different dogs. What is the difference?

2007-04-30 01:33:31 · 24 answers · asked by Showtunes 6 in Pets Dogs

Unstopp...(cant read the last of your name and dont care to).
What are you basing this on? The poodle varities (goldendoodle, pugle, etc) are usually very carefully mated to produce a dog close the non-poodle variety, but with poodle style hair for allergies.
How does that differ from the creation of the Mini Pinscher and the French Bulldog?

2007-04-30 01:54:05 · update #1

Unstop again:
It sounds like youre speaking of the American Labradoodle which has about a 50/50 chance of having poodle type hair. From there you would breed the ones with that characteristic to produce more (eventually getting something like the Australian Labradoodle which rarely sheds at all, and when it does only small amounts). Just like how your breeds were created! You cant expect it to happen overnight just like it didnt with purebreeds.

2007-04-30 02:18:12 · update #2

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"All breeds were created by people via selective breeding of different dogs. What is the difference?"

I really dislike this excuse. People who use it just don't get it.

Because these dogs aren't bred for any other purpose than making money. I'd forgive it if someone was actually trying to create a better herding dog, police dog, sled dog -- you know, a dog with a JOB. But these designer dogs are just money-makers. "Good pets" isn't an acceptable reason...there are plenty of "good pets" sitting in shelters, and the hundreds of purebreds that already exist (in addition to being originally created FOR A REASON) also make "good pets".

Yes, the "Labradoodle" was originally created in an attempt to develop a hypo-allergenic guide dog. But, as you say, the chances of getting the "hypo-allergenic" coat (a fallacy in itself, since all dogs shed), is maybe 50-50. SO WHAT IS THE POINT?

When "Labradoodle" breeders are consistently working toward 100% allergen-free coats, and not just making money, I'll consider the purpose behind what they're doing...but it appears to me that most are on the bandwagon for the $$, at this point.

And, no -- the vast MAJORITY of these "breeders" are using untested dogs from questionable backgrounds. No responsible breeder of a purebred would ever sell a dog to someone looking to cross it with another breed.

The guy who "created the Puggle" is a huge puppy-miller in Wisconsin. He has hundreds of dogs living in mesh-bottomed cages, and was fined/suspended by the AKC for failing to pass their inspections -- which is why he uses the "Puppy Mill" registries now (i.e. ConKC, Hybrid Club, etc.). Look it up. These dogs were developed out of greed.

"Hybrid" is a term used by the ignorant, BTW -- you can't create a "hybrid" with two animals of the same species.

ADDED:
"The poodle varities (goldendoodle, pugle, etc) are usually very carefully mated to produce a dog close the non-poodle variety, but with poodle style hair for allergies."

Yeah, that Poodle is the "magic wand" that immediately creates a non-shedding dog -- NOT. You can't predict how well that trait will pass in a mixed breed dog, and the HUGE preponderance of evidence shows that it does not consistently do so. Also, if by "pugle" you mean "Puggle", they have no Poodle in them. There is no "careful mating" that goes into these dogs -- find a Poodle, find a (whatever other breed), breed them and sell the puppies. The End.

2007-04-30 03:11:23 · answer #1 · answered by Loki Wolfchild 7 · 3 0

I have nothing against an accidental mating of two dogs, accidents do happen but I totally disagree with people putting 2 dogs together because they thought it would be cute to have puppies. The ones that totally piss me off are the ones that put poodles to everything, giving them a cute name and charging the earth for them. Just because they have poodle in them does not make them hyper-allergenic or shed free. Look at the guy on here the other day that had purchased a Beagle x poodle I think he called it a Boogle, it cost him $600 it sheds hair constantly and he has allergies to it. I'd like to bet neither parent was tested for any inheritable problems that these breeds have.
Have a good look in the shelters and tell me what you see. I read somewhere the other day that 25% are pure bred dogs and the other 75% are cross breeds. Why? Maybe because people don't know what they are really getting, it looked cute and sounded good but because they didn't research the 2 breeds or sometime 4 or 5 breeds that have gone into their pup, then they wonder why it doesn't fit into their lifestyle.
The only thing I see from the so called designer breeders are money hungry thieves. I'm still to meet one that health test their breeding stock, I'm told by them that they don't have any problems. Crap! they still suffer from Hip Dysplasia, elbow Dysplasia, heart problems, kidney problems & eye problems.
Yes, all breeds started by crossing one breed with another many centuries ago, but they were done for a purpose, normally working.
Give me a good reason why we have all these Poodle cross pups, they say its because they are allergy free, but only a small percentage might get the poodle coat. If you want allergy free buy a Poodle.
If you love your Mutts, go to the shelter and save one its full of them.
I have owned and loved mutts, but to deliberately mate them when so many are being put to sleep every day makes me sick.

2007-04-30 09:27:31 · answer #2 · answered by potogold 3 · 4 0

I don't know anyone with a negative attitude to mixed breed, it is more about the breeding. Mixed breeds are usually caused by irresponsible ownership and in a country with such a huge over-population problem that is what upsets people.

It is a fact that mixed breed dogs are better than purebred in terms of health. Due to the in-breeding of purebreds they are effected by a lot more health concerns than a mixed breed. The only draw back is that there is no standard so you have a major surprise when your little 6lb mutt turns into 100lbs.

As for hybrids, when I hear that term I thing of the breeding of domestic dogs with wild dogs, which I can't stress how wrong that is. A wolf is a wild animal, even a couple of generation of breeding with a domestic dog will not give you have a pet that looks like a wolf and behaves like a lab. It will give you a dog that still has all its natural instincts and that is frustrated by the limitations put on that behaviours and is therefore unpredictable.

2007-04-30 08:58:46 · answer #3 · answered by mmscotslass 2 · 5 0

I have no problems with mixed breeds. It's when people intentionally breed a mixed litter and then make fantastic claims about them in order to sell them for a ridiculous amount.

The breeds we have today are not the result of mixing two different breeds. Centuries (and longer) ago people sought out desired traits and bred the dogs because of those traits. The breeds we have today are the results of carefully selective breeding over generations.

When you have a first generation mix, you literally have no idea what you are going to end up with because they do not produce the same results every time.

Did you ever consider there is a reason why reputable breeders will not sell their pups to someone who is interested in creating a "hybrid" litter?

2007-04-30 10:37:35 · answer #4 · answered by Anonymous · 4 0

All dogs are wonderful creatures and should not be looked down upon simply because they are mixed. The min Pin is one of the oldest breeds there are he is actually older than the Doberman Pin. The French bulldog is also breed on its own, the only dogs that were bred and are recognized as a breed on there own re Boston terriers, they were bred from an English bulldog and a bull terrier Frenchie cross.

2007-04-30 09:12:19 · answer #5 · answered by Anonymous · 3 0

Mixed breed dogs (ie: A mix of mixes you find at the pound) are merely accidents, a products of strays or uninformed, irresponsible owners. They were not created with a purpose in mind, but they can turn out to be excellent companions, workers, and pets all the same. I am an advocate of adopting these sorts of dogs whenever possible, as far, far too many get euthanized in shelters each and every day.
"Hybrid" dogs or designer breeds-- in makeup are different from your average mutt-- except for the fact that some greedy puppy miller or backyard breeder put a price on wonderously "cute" offspring of inferior cross-breeding. Designer breeds are mutts made for profit, and generally, the poorest specimens of canines imaginable.

2007-04-30 08:51:01 · answer #6 · answered by Grayce 2 · 9 0

You answered your own question - All breeds are created by people.
People are negligent and ignorant and lazy.
People pay an outlandish price for a pup and as soon as it goes into heat they want to get their money back as many times over as possible.
People do not have a care as to what happens to the cute little hairballs they created once they're sold off.They don't care about medical problems and unsound temperaments.All they care about is how soon the next heat will come so they can get more money.Who cares how many of these pups ends up spending a life of abuse or neglect.Or how many sit in a shelter or pound waiting for someone to adopt them who will understand their needs.

I wonder how we'd like it if people were bred like dogs are.

2007-04-30 09:55:58 · answer #7 · answered by misbehavin165 5 · 2 0

I for one don't have a negative attitude towards mixed breeds; some of the best-natured dogs I know are of unknown origins.
On the other hand there are certain "designer breeds" that are all the rage and so-called "breeders" can (and do) charge high dollar for them. Labradoodle, goldendoodle, maltipoo, yorkiepoo, morkie, etc. A lot of people like puppy millers jump on the bandwagon and are breeding them just for the $$, without any care as to genetics or if it is a "good" mix (for example, wolf/chow = BAD combo), or what will become of the animals themselves after the fad fades. This is not selective breeding, this is greed. Over 2 million unwanted animals are PTS every year in the US; that is in part what makes this type of "breeding" unconscionable to a lot of people.

2007-04-30 08:43:33 · answer #8 · answered by Karen W 6 · 6 2

Pretty simple really, ETHICS

None of us have a thing against the dog, our objection is of those that would breed them with no reason for doing so besides duping the public inorder to make a profit.
There isn't a thing wrong with developing a new breed, provided it is done for the right reasons and by those that know what they are doing. There is even a breed with my last name (Llewellin Setter) Most whateverdoodle breeders (but not all) have absolutlly no concept of genetics, and wouldn't know a good dog if it bit them on the ***(pun intended)

2007-04-30 09:51:36 · answer #9 · answered by tom l 6 · 4 0

I don't think that most people are against them....Hybrids are also mixed breeds so let's call it what it is. I agree that it's the price of these dogs that is the problem and the fact that people are paying top dollar for mixed is creating more puppy mill dogs. try a shelter first.

2007-04-30 09:24:07 · answer #10 · answered by mups mom 5 · 6 0

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