Illegal Immigration...Pro or Con?

Question

Here we go...A topic that has been in debate lately. Illegal Immigration. Do you support reform or amnesty? Throw out a reason with your answer!

Answer 1

There is no need for reform. The need is to enforce the laws already on the books. All illegal alien invaders need to be deported immediately.

Every person for illegal immigration should be forced to compensate these innocent people who have had their social security numbers and identities stolen by these illegals who invade our country with no care who they hurt. They should have to not only compensate the money lost from their social security accounts after they are zeroed out once the fraud is detected, but every last cent the victims had to pay taking time off work, every cent that went into photocopying documentation, every cent that went towards lawyers and gas driving somewhere to get this mess taken care of, and any other financial expenditure the victim had to cough up. They should also be forced to compensate the victims for the emotional hardships endured. They should have to compensate for the money and time spent trying to straighten out their credit ratings after these illegals have ruined them. They should be forced to compensate these victims for every single hardship related to what these illegals have inflicted upon these people. Currently, the system does not provide any compensation at all and a lot of people are never restored to previctimization status. Oh but these pro-illegals claim that illegal immigration is a victimless crime that hurts no one and that we are whining when we complain.

'Total purgatory' for taxpayers
Frustration can mount for victims of this kind of fraud. Eventually, the government agencies involved do catch up with the legitimate consumers; but often, not until they are looking for money. Victims can have trouble getting disability or unemployment benefits. The government doesn’t try to alert victims of their victimizations, they usually find out by chance when they’ve been victimized further.
Other victims find the Internal Revenue Service on their backs, looking for payment of back taxes for wages earned by their imposters. Some see refunds held up by the confusion; others see their wages garnished.
Victims find themselves in a financial nightmare. All those imitators make a mess out of their work histories, Social Security benefits records and credit reports. Victims are haunted by bills and creditors. Victims receive threatening letters from the IRS, asking to pay taxes on money earned by these illegal Mexican colonizers. Victims are told to re-pay unemployment benefits they had received, after the government discovers they were "working" while drawing benefits when it was really these illegal Mexican invaders all along.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6814673

You think these illegals care that they are hurting innocent lives? Their loyalty is to Mexico. They proved that during one of the first rallies when they took down the American flag, hung up the Mexican flag, and then hung the American flag upside down underneath it. THAT is how they feel about America.

http://michellemalkin.com/archives/004869.htm


Then the people who want to appease them pull out the excuses about how people who are not even alive now, and haven't been for hundreds of years, 'stole' the land from the American Indians. Even American politicians are carrying out this traitorous attack on our sovereignty! If this keeps up, the United States of America will become a 3rd world country, just like Mexico! Mexico's problems are not the fault of Americans, but they are becoming our problems because the Mexicans are invading us and bringing their problems with them.

The illegals make up about 5 % of the work force. The unemployment rate is about 4.5%. Keep in mind that the unemployment rate does NOT represent everyone who is unemployed. It only counts those who are collecting unemployment. Everyone else's plight is ignored. The unemployment rate if everyone was counted would be tremendous. We do NOT have a shortage of labor, we have a large surplus. The more illegals that come in and take our jobs at minimum wage or less (often less) puts more and more Americans out of a job. Most of these Americans are never counted in the unemployment rate if they do not manage to get unemployment benefits. Unemployment benefits are hard to receive.

Illegals draw welfare by stealing people's social security numbers and identities. That means there are a lot of people being directly hurt by these people as well. Innocent people are having their credit ratings ruined, having IRS problems, and social security problems. If someone who has had their social security number stolen gets married, if either spouse dies or become disabled then they can be denied their benefits.

The illegals get welfare by stealing social security numbers and identities and using false papers. Therefore, the time limits under the Clinton welfare reform doesn't apply to them because once the time limit is up, all they have to do is get new stolen social security numbers and identities and false papers and start all over again. American citizens who draw welfare are limited to the time limits from the welfare reform and are then cut off. American citizens who fall on hard times and have to turn to welfare assistance have a harder time finding jobs that pay enough to live off of because the illegals have taken jobs and depressed the wages of those jobs still available to American citizens. Therefore, those in the lower working class are highly unlikely to ever be able to "work their way up" since the opportunities have been stolen which will entrap these people into poverty with little to no way out.

My family moved to the US before WWII. Those of my family that didn't make it over got killed by the death camps. Our family assimilated to the American culture. We didn't expect the Americans to change to suit us. The illegal immigrants from Mexico are not civilized like that.

They not only changed the National Anthem to Spanish, they changed the words. They already burn our flag and hang our flag upside down. They waved the Mexican flag during a lot of their protests. Some schools have stopped hanging the American flag and forbidden students from wearing clothes with any part of the American flag on their clothing all to keep from offending the Mexicans. It's nothing short of an attack of our country, not only by the illegal aliens, but those who seek to appease them.

I am tired of the stereotype that Americans wouldn't do the work that illegals do. Illegals do all kinds of jobs for less than minimum wage which drives the wages down for U.S. citizens. Construction jobs are an example. There are lots of illegals doing construction jobs that Americans used to do because the companies can keep more of the profits if they pay less for the workers. All that does is make companies wealthier and Americans poorer. Illegals are stealing jobs that Americans have done for years.

"Mexico is waging war on the U.S. through mass immigration illegal and legal, through the assertion of Mexican national claims over the U.S., and through the subversion of its laws and sovereignty, all having the common end of bringing the southwestern part of the U.S. under the control of the expanding Mexican nation, and of increasing Mexico’s political and cultural influence over the U.S. as a whole.

Cultural imperialism

We experience Mexico’s assault on our country incrementally—as a series of mini-crises, each of which calls forth ever-renewed debates and perhaps some tiny change of policy. Because it has been with us so long and has become part of the cultural and political air we breathe, it is hard for us to see the deep logic behind our “immigration problem.” Focused as we are on border incursions, border enforcement, illegal alien crime, guest worker proposals, changes of government in Mexico City, and other such transient problems and events—all of them framed by the media’s obfuscation of whether or not illegal immigration’s costs outweigh its benefits and by the maudlin script of “immigrant rights”—we don’t get the Big Picture: that the Mexican government is promoting and carrying out an attack on the United States.

Another reason we miss what’s happening is that our focus is on the immigrants as individuals. Thus our leaders talk about illegal immigrants as “good dads,” “hard working folks” seeking to better their lives and their family’s prospects. In fact, this is not about individual immigrants and their families, legal or illegal. It is about a great national migration, a nation of people moving into our nation’s land, in order to reproduce on it their own nation and people and push ours aside.

Thus, in orchestrating this war on America, the Mexican state is representing the desires of the Mexican people as a whole.

What are these desires?

(1) Political revanchism—to regain control of the territories Mexico lost to the U.S. in 1848, thus avenging themselves for the humiliations they feel they have suffered at our hands for the last century and a half;

(2) Cultural imperialism—to expand the Mexican culture and the Spanish language into North America; and especially

(3) Economic parasitism—to maintain and increase the flow of billions of dollars that Mexicans in the U.S. send back to their relatives at home every year, a major factor keeping the chronically troubled Mexican economy afloat and the corrupt Mexican political system cocooned in its status quo. "

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Answer 2

DOn't say Pro or Con, There's this ferret person that had a funny joke about it.

COn. I'll use a reason, I haven't stated yet. I don't think it would resolve poverty in the world, but make it worse. There are billions of people living in conditions similar or worse than the average Mexican. If we let a few in we would not resolve the problem. In fact it would probably make matters worse. If we aid these countries, by accepting their poor, they would reproduce in a greater rate to replace those they just lost. THe population would increase in a faster rate. If we continue to allow immigrants in our country in substantial numbers, they would less likely fix the problem at home. We would become a pressure release valve. The illegal Mexicans who come here are the ones who are most likely to do something. Heck they are hear protesting. They are the ones who are most likely to risk their lives to better their country. THey risk their lives to come here. They are also the most dissatisfied with their country. If we do not let him in our country, they would get aggitated and will most likely cause civil unrest in their own country. Hopefully that will cause a revolution. accepting immigrants would only put a bandaid on the problem. If we keep letting immigrants come in , political and economic, I see no long term solution. I know my statement is not purely about illegal immigrants.

Answer 3

Con.

I appreciate all their hard work, they're still breaking the law. Illegal immigration is a complex issue that has many layers. Who do you hold accountable? The countries from which the illegals are emigrating? The U.S. govt? The illegals themselves?

I had to go through the immigration process with my husband, and for some one that has gone through it LEGALLY, it's not fair.

What are the solutions?
Reform is a definite. Amnesty? Didn't we have one under Reagan? How many more are we going to have? Doesn't really solve anything now doesn't it.

Answer 4

no amnesty, but I thnk we hould do what we did in the Civil war, nearly 40% of Union troops where recent immigrants or those fresh off the boat. they where drafted, and promised instant citizenship, not waiting 10 to 12 years as it took back then, with the stipulation they went and fought in the war. e could do the same for Iraq, Young Mexican men want to come to the us? serve 3 yrs in Iraq, if you live (we have never lost more than 8% of troops serving in a war) you continue as 100% citizen and you can bring your immediate family,parents too. that worked great back then, they where actually some of the better troops, they wanted to show how much they wanted to be an American. We did the same in the Spanish American war, WWI and WWII. I think it would solve some problems, and make honest citizens out of many.

Answer 5

Well, it has pro's and con's.
This is a very complicated topic.
on one side there are the most maginated people from hispanic countries that go to work for a better life. that's good for the but not too much for the country, im not alking about not paying taxes and stuff like that (like all the people say) im talking about that they dont have too much to offer to the country they go to live to. why? because they are not queliffied people, plus they dont offer to invest because they are poor, they can offer their work.
this is the part of the pro's.
I've hear alot of people saying the same thing "they do the jobs we dont want to do". wh cares about the jobs they want to do or not. this poor people that come to work are a very importat human capital for the companies.
about what people say "THE DONT PAY TAXES".
Weel im sick of those comments, i know they dont pay taxes but thier bosses do.
so the workers get a salary, but i dont know if you people know that the salary is the first deductible tax.
do they indirectly make their contributions, so i would list that as a pro, they kind of keep the cashflow active.

Besides pros and cons, i dont like Illegal immigrants because are people that come to make a big cultural crash to the country they go to.
why??, well, being the poorest people of the country they come from they haver a very different way of life, even compared with the lifestyle of the average people of their country.

so i really preffer Legal immigration because im mexican and i dont like to hear all the time that im a criminal and a scumbag, i've got a mayor in international business, speak 3 lenguages, have my own business and i do pay my taxes, it 's not confortable being called criminal and a scumbag.

Answer 6

Prison camp with 7 years of hard labor and afterwards deportation. If someone was a true political refugee they could get a speedy hearing during this time. No walls or fences would need to be built because noone after some examples were made would be crazy enough to come here, live under those conditions and then have their families back home starve because the major income earner isnt giving them anything. Only true political refugees or legal aliens would come here.

Answer 7

i want reform to the existing laws. make businesses pay a hefty price for hiring illegal immigrants. businesses should have to pay a huge fine and they should arrest and jail the managers and bosses of the company for 5 years. this would be a wake up call for the companies.

i think illegal immigrants should have to go legally through the system to get citizenship.

Answer 8

Im a be totally honest with you ...... Reform !! ......... why ?

Well I think that first of all for a reform you need security not only in the mexican border but all port of entries of the US. Now I believe that that would make it hard for someone to come to the US illegally, and I think that if someone pass through that real tight security and make it, I think they once here deserve a chance. Im not saying open up the borders and let everyone from every country come in. I just believe that the ones already here deserve a chance and before makin a reform they should enforce all ports of entry to the us and if someone makes it someway some how through any of those ports of entry once here they deserve a chance, cause I think that just making it through aint easy.

Thats just my opinion !

Answer 9

The thing is, immigration officials should look into the backgrounds of the people they be giving green cards to. If you have a history of crimes etc., then make it harder for them, but for the people who are clean, go to school, work, have a family and are not a burden to society and the U.S., then they deserve the green card more than all those lazy people who get it just because. There should be thorough investigations prior to giving away green cards. Hope I made sense.

Answer 10

No to Amnesty! Illegal says it all. If and American does something illegal, and is caught (anything from running a red light to murder) they pay the penalty. Illegals have broken the law simply by being in the country illegally. Remember a few years back when a woman running for office ( can't remember which one) got raked over the coals because she had an illegal cleaning her house? Employers should be charged with aiding and abetting if they hire them. Same with landlords and so on down the line. If they want to be American citizens or live in the US they should go through the proper channels just like Americans have to go by Mexican laws if they moved to Mexico.

Answer 11

You forgot one - ENFORCE OUR LAWS!!!!!!!

We don't need reform, except for treating the 14th amendment like it was intended (no anchor babies!) NO AMNESTY!!!!! That will bankrupt us and reward 20 to 30 million illegal alien criminals. They became criminals as soon as they crossed our border.

Please don't pull out the race card on this. Illegal immigration has nothing to do with race. It is only about our laws!