How would you try to convince someone that the Trinity was either false or true?

Answer 1

I prayed to God and asked God to explain it to me. God answered. People gave me written explainations. Do a web search for the biblical Trinity.

Jesus said to go forth and preach the Gospel starting in Jerusalem and to baptize them in the Name of the Father, Son & Holy Spirit. Name is singular. The Name of God is Yahweh Yeshua Messiah. Old Testament Is I AM that I AM ... Yahweh Elohim One Yahweh.

Answer 2

Simple, telling them the truth:

That the trinity was a decree by the Emperor Constantine. Despite being a pagan worshipper at the time and just for pure political purposes, Constantine ruled that God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit were one, at the Nicean Council of 325 AD. Although he decided this while still a pagan, he also imposed Christianity as the official religion of the state. Why?? because he knew that the Roman Empire was declining, he didn't want his empire to get divided and he wanted to reunite the political power the Christians were developing and the money of the Jews. He converted to Christianity at his dead bed.

Go to the enciclopedia of your choice and check if it's true or not, I have nothing to hide.

Answer 3

The trinity is based on the Catholic Athanasian Creed. In part, it says: "And the Catholic Faith is this, that we worship one God in Trinity and Trinity in Unity. So likewise the Father is Almighty, the Son Almighty, and the Holy Ghost Almighty. And yet they are not Three Almighties but One Almighty. And in this Trinity none is afore or after Other, None is greater or less than Another, but the whole Three Persons are Co-eternal together, and Co-equal."

Does the Bible agree with the Athanasian Creed? Let's see.

The Bible says Jehovah is the Most High. (Ps. 83:18) At John 17:3, Jesus called his Father the ONLY true God.

The AC says that the Father is NOT the only true God. Instead, the Son and the holy spirit have been elevated to be the Father's equal.

The Bible quotes Jesus as saying that his Father was greater than he was. (John 14:28)

The AC directly contradicts Jesus' statement by saying that "no one is greater than or less than another."

There is no verse or set of verses that say the Father, Son, and the holy spirit are co-equal, co-eternal, and almighty AND that they all make up one God.

In their defense of the trinity, trinitarians will turn to verses like John 10:30 ("I and the Father are one.") and John 1:1 ("The Word was God" KJB) But do these verses say that all 3 "persons" are co-equal? Of course not. Both of those verses don't even mention 3 persons. They mention no more than 2. But don't you need 3 to make a TRInity?

With all this Biblical evidence that punches gaping holes in the trinity doctrine, trinitarians remain blind to the obvious. To them, God is triune.

The trinity doctrine did not even become "Christian" until over 3oo years AFTER Jesus died. Neither Jesus nor his disciples taught the trinity. It is a man-made falsehood.

Answer 4

Jesus was created the almighty has always been here, these are the scriptures to prove it. Who was Jesus praying to in the garden. When he said "not my will but yours be done"
Showing two wills.
Matthew 24;36 "Not me or the angels know but only the father"
Lords prayer is another perfect example.


(Colossians 1:15-17) . . .5 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation; 16 because by means of him all [other] things were created in the heavens and upon the earth, the things visible and the things invisible, no matter whether they are thrones or lordships or governments or authorities. All [other] things have been created through him and for him. 17 Also, he is before all [other] things and by means of him all [other] things were made to exist,

(Revelation 3:14) 14 “And to the angel of the congregation in La·o·di·ce´a write: These are the things that the Amen says, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation by God,

(Acts 7:55) 55 But he, being full of holy spirit, gazed into heaven and caught sight of God’s glory and of Jesus standing at God’s right hand,

(Revelation 1:1) 1 A revelation by Jesus Christ, which God gave him, to show his slaves the things that must shortly take place. And he sent forth his angel and presented [it] in signs through him to his slave John,

(Revelation 7:10) 10 And they keep on crying with a loud voice, saying: “Salvation [we owe] to our God, who is seated on the throne, and to the Lamb.”

Answer 5

I would compare what the Bible plainly says with what those who believe in a triune god twist into seeming to support their opinion.

Jesus demonstrates that he and the Father are two distinct individuals when he appealed to Scripture about establishing true witnessing, and invoked God as the second witness:
John 8:17-18 -- It is also written in your law that the testimony of two men is true. I am One who bears witness of Myself, and the Father who sent Me bears witness of Me."

Jesus said the Father was greater than he was, not the same as he was (John 14:28 ). He showed that his will is not always the same as God's will (Luke 22:42). He also showed that the Father knows things that he did not (Mark 13:32).

The whole Trinity doctrine falls apart when one reads Jesus' prayer in John 17. For in it Jesus says that the saints will become ONE WITH HIM AND GOD just as he is already one with God. This isn't a trinity, it is a multiplicity.

John 17:21 -- "that they all may be one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I in You; that they also may be one in Us"

I would show that they have to redefine the meaning of some Scriptures in order to arrive at their conclusion. Jesus is declared to be the son of God. Both he and the Apostles said this many times. But the same also said that those PEOPLE who do the will of God will also become the sons of God. If Jesus, being a son, makes God a trinity, then what will God be when all Christians are raised to eternal life in the image and likeness of Christ? But Trinitarians redefine what 'son of God' means when applied to people.

Trinitarians twist Scriptures, such as those that follow, into seeming like they support a triune god, but they must be read with a triune bias to see that in them:

Acts 5:3 -- But Peter said, "Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit and keep back part of the price of the land for yourself?

Acts 28:25 --So when they did not agree among themselves, they departed after Paul had said one word: "The Holy Spirit spoke rightly through Isaiah the prophet to our fathers

1 Corinthians 2:10 -- But God has revealed them to us through His Spirit. For the Spirit searches all things, yes, the deep things of God.

The phrase, 'the holy spirit' sometimes is used as a synonym for God himself, not a third and separate being in the Godhead. And it is also used to refer to the power and attitude of God.

Early Trinitarians went so far as to insert words into the Bible to support their false doctrine. See any commentary on 1 John 5:7-8. The words in these verses that support a triune god were added, and NOT found in almost ALL ancient manuscripts.

Trinitarians will often quote Matthew 28:19 and Matthew 3:13-17 and claim that because all three are mentioned in close proximity, this is proof that they are triune. What kind of reasoning is that? If three (or any number) of objects are mentioned together, how does that show that they are the same?

God said he made man in his image and likeness. Is man triune? Are there three beings in one person, for every person on earth? Can a part of a person split off and do things different from the other parts?

Trinitarianism is utter nonsense, and completely unbiblical.

Answer 6

AT the Nicene council 325 AD, the trinity was coined along with the concept. It was decided by vote(not unanimous), not by a prophet or apostle of God.

Biblical evidence...

John 3:16
for god so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten son...
God didn't say, "I send myself"

1.)Acts 7:55-56
55. But he[Stephen] being full of the holy ghost, looked stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God.
56. And said, behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God.

Holy ghost: filling Stephen.
Jesus: Standing on the right hand of God.
God: Jesus standing on his right side.
This clearly illustrates three separate beings.

2.)Heb 1:3 ... [Jesus] sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high.

3.)Matthew 3:16-17
16. And Jesus, when he was baptized, went straightway out of the water: and, lo the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:
17. And lo a voice from heaven, saying. This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

Jesus: stepping out of the water.
Holy Ghost: descending like a dove.
Father in Heaven: said, This is my beloved Son.
This clearly illustrates three separate beings.

4.)John 4:34
Jesus saith unto them, my meat is to do the will of him that sent me, and to finish his work.
He didn't say, "My meat is to do my will"

John 5 say over and over... the Father hath sent me...not "the hath sent himself"

5.) For everyone who says: "well what about all the scriptures that say the--Father and the son are one?"
According to the this reasoning we are all God(This interpretation of scripture is false)
Read John 17:20-21
21. That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.

The Godhead is the correct nature of the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost. They are three seperate beings or persanages and all ONE IN PURPOSE. We can become one in purpose and righteousness with them as John 17:21 says(and many other verses say)... We cannot become the personage of the Father, his Son of the Holy Ghost.

There's a lot more, but I've already made this really long...If you'd like more then please feel free to email me!

Have a great day! :)

Answer 7

is Yhshua/Jesus equal to YHWH/Jehovah?

1. If Jesus was God then why is he called the “firstborn” of all creations? Please read Colossians 1:15 and Revelation 3:14.
2. If Jesus was God then why did he say that he did not come of his “own initiative” but was sent? Who sent him? John 8:42 and 1 John 4:9
3. If Jesus was God then why did Jesus not know the “day and the house” of the Great Tribulation but God did? Matthew 24:36
4. Who did Jesus speak to in prayer if he was God? Did he speak to himself when he asked help and strength from God?
5. Jesus “appeared before the person of God for us”? How did he do that if he was God? Hebrews 9:24
6. Why did Jesus say “the Father is Greater than I am”? John 14:28, Philippians 2:5,6
7. Who spoke to Jesus at the time of his baptism saying “this is my son”? Matthew 3:17
8. How could he be exalted to a superior position if he was God? Can you exalt the one who is already the highest? Philippians 2:9,10 (Note: It says “God exalted him to a higher position”. In proper English the word higher and highest is different. This means that God is the highest; Jesus is in the higher position. God has the authority to exalt him to a higher position. That means Jehovah, the father is higher than Jesus)
9. If Jesus was God how can Jesus be the “mediator between God and man?” Jesus is called the MEDIATOR in 1 Timothy 2:5
10. If Jesus was God why did the Apostle Paul say “the head of the Christ is God?” 1 Corinthians 11:30
11. Is Jesus was God then why did Jesus “hand over the Kingdom to his God” and “subject himself to God”? 1 Corinthians 15: 24,28
12. If Jesus was God then who does he refer to as “my God and your God”? John 20:17
13. How does he sit at God’s right hand? Psalms 110:1, Hebrew 10:12, 13
14. If Jesus was God why does John say “no man has seen God at any time?” John saw Jesus. John 1:18
15. Why did not people die when they saw Jesus? Exodus 20:18-19, Exodus 30:20
16. How were Jesus dead and God alive at the same time if they are one? Acts 2:24
17. Why did Jesus need someone to save him? Hebrews 5:7
18. If Jesus was God the one who is referred to prophetically at Proverbs 8:22-31?
19. If Jesus was God then did Jesus say “that all authority has been GIVEN to me in heaven and on earth”? Who gave that authority? Matthew 28:18, Daniel 7:13,14
20. Why did Jesus have godly fear if he was the God? Hebrews 5:7
21. How could he learn obedience and be made perfect? Whom did he obey if he was God? Hebrews 5:8-9
22. Why would an angel be able to strengthen him or the angels minister to him? Does God need to be strengthened and ministered by angels? Luke 22:43, Matthew 4:11
23. Why would Satan try to tempt him if he KNEW that he was GOD? Matthew 4:1-11
24. Jesus when sent to earth was made to “be Lower” than the angels Hebrews 2:7 says. How could any part of a God Head ever be lower than the angels?
25. Then if Jesus was the same as God, who was he being tempted to rebel against? Matthew 4:1
26. Near the end of his earthly life, Jesus cried out “My God, my God why have you forsaken me?” Matthew 27:46 Can God desert or forsake himself?
27. Hebrews 5:8 says that Jesus learned obedience! To whom would he obey if he was God? And does God need to LEARN anything?

Finally; ask yourself, is there a danger of dishonoring “the only true God” by trying to make Jesus co-equal to his Father when in actuality “the Father is greater” and deserves all the recognition and submission Jesus showed Him?

Answer 8

I show them the actual evidence,
& allow that to convince them,
if they will allow it.

If they want to hold on to a preconcieved conclusion,
contrary to Scriptural evidence, that is their prerogative.
I won't try to convince them otherwise.

I'm part of a group that is Not into converting people, but rather, helping those who want help to convert their Own thinking to truth...
There are those who *claim* to be a part of our group, but whose 'teaching techniques' seem to indicate *otherwise*. Even when they get the facts straight!

For examples of our teaching methods, see (on-line):

Ways Jehovah's Witnesses Use to Share the Good News http://watchtower.org/e/jt/index.htm?article=article_05.htm

For examples of the evidence that I would show them,
see the brochure (on-line):

Should You Believe in the Trinity?
http://watchtower.org/e/ti/index.htm?article=start.htm
.

Answer 9

Hi

Well the Quran is the only text that is still in its original form and it is truly from God. It repeatedly reminds us of the Oneness of God.

Enough said.


to dunn: Muslims don't believe in the 12th Imam. Islam and the Quran have no mention on that. The only One that is worshiped by Muslims is God (Allah) and anyone worshiping other than God (Allah) is committing polytheism, one of the biggest sins according do Islam.

So there is no trinity in Islam. It's all in the testimony of faith: Laa ilaaha illallaah (There is no God but Allah).

Answer 10

God is the most intelligent entity in the universe.
I hope we at least all can agree on that.
Who else could create a fiery sun
that most of us can practically set our clocks by?
Why would He talk to Himself while He was on earth?
Why would His son lie and call Him Father
and or pray to Himself whenever?
Why would Jesus say that He would make His name known?
Everyone knew the name of Jesus
the son of Joseph the carpenter
but who knew the name of Jehovah the Father?
Who could resurrect the dead Jesus if not the living God
who cannot lie or die for a second ever?
Who was He referring to
when He said to His only begotten son,
"Let us make man in our image"!?!???
Who was it that put a smile on His (spiritual) face always?
To the point of accepting to come down here
for a miserable life when he had it all in heaven
just so he could satisfly divine justice to restore
the promised prize of everlasting life
on a paradise earth which had already begun
in Eden located between Iran and Iraq?
and to allow for the true God to fulfill His initial plan
and purpose for us all?
which is a perfect life on a perfect earth?
Who did Christ give his perfect sacrifice
to when he returned to heaven?
Who was he talking to when He asked His Father
to help him go through what he had to while here on earth?
Who was he talking about when he told the lying ruler Satan,
that he could not do one act of worship to him
but only to his Father in heaven
as this one had already rebelled against his Father
and was just aching to get his (once spiritual) brother
to join him in doing so even to the point
where he would give up his position as ruler of this world?
How could a common word such as spirit spelled
with a small first letter, become an entity of its own
namely the spirit, the holy spirit which is clearly
from all evidence to all with eyes not blinded
by the evil spirit Satan
(they are all spirits as we are all human sous!)
become a part of a Trinity
(man-made idea; even pagan from back when!)
where one plus one plus one would suddenly become one
as opposed to three...
which by the way, a kinder-garden kid would answer truthfully
until he becomes utterly brain-washed
by the small "g" god of 2 Corinthians 4:4 and John 8:44
who has done a job on him or her
through his own stupid system soon to bite the dust?
I could simply go on forever but to what avail?
As long as they will refuse to admit the obvious,
to believe in the lie,
the holy spirit (active force) will be killed
in their own spirit (active force of their own)
Why? Our grand-parents can be dead for years
and we still can feel their spirits in the old house as though
they were still there if only in our memories???
That doesn't mean that they were 2 or 3 in one body!
Sure I can say that my mom and I are one!
As we know the same truths, love the same things,
and follow the same rules;
Why! We even look alike!!!
But that still doesn't mean that we walk around
in the same body!!!
Ask a babe and I guarantee before he is brain-washed
to believe in silly man-made ideas,
he'll tell you that God is God,
that the son Jesus, and all of His other spiritual sons
are just that His sons, and that the spirit is the energy
used to accomplish whatever it is that He or Jesus
or any of us want to use to do things with...

Answer 11

False would be I suppose the Old Testament statement that God is one, and that Jews reject the Trinity based off this scripture.
True would be looking at Old Testament scriptures that deal with a possible plurality of God, as well as the New Testament which talks about that extensively.