Proof that Noah and the great flood never happened. Do you agree?

Question

The mass of the Earth is calculated at 6x10^24kg. The tallest mountain is Mt. Everest at 29,000feet (roughly 5 miles), so if Genesis is true, we were covered with an additional 5 miles of vertical waters above our heads. With the added mass of the Earth, our orbit around the sun would have changed. Why does the bible not account for this? 5 miles of water is quite heavy and would account for a significant increase in the Earths mass. Just imagine where you are and having 4-5 miles of water above your head. That’s a lot of weight!!!

http://bibleresources.bible.com/passagesearchresults.php?passage1=genesis+7%3A19&version1=31

FYI, Mt Everest is about 60 MILLION years old. 60 MIHHHLLLLIIIIOOOON!!! And the Bible does say that the highest peaks were covered. (It rises a few millimeters each year, you do the math)

Law of Conservation would say that that water is still around... Ahem....

Answer 1

There is nothing impossible for God. Do not t each him. He is far more intelligent than you are, my friend

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Rom 9:20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?
Rom 9:21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?
Rom 9:22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:

That is the answer of the bible to you.
jtm

Answer 2

Here's more proof that Noah's Flood is a myth...

If all of the animals were wiped out during the flood, there would be a genetic bottleneck acroos all species at the same time. Modern genetics has the capability to definitively detect such a bottleneck, and also to nail down the timeline of when it happened. Many species do have bottlenecks, but not all species, and not from the same time period. Those bottlenecks that are proven, are not matched up with a flood, but other catastrophies, like the Toba eruption.

Whe have tree ring data going back more than 10,000 years. We also have ice core data going back 150,000 years. Nothing in either offers any evidence of a global flood on the scale described in Genesis.

Funny that you had to correct one of the answerers about the flood covering the highest mountains. I often find that when I tell fundies that a global flood of almost a year's duration would leave global, unmistakable, geological evidence behind, these people tell me that the flood didn't last a year, but was only for fourty days and nights. This is incorrect. The deluge lasted for fourty days and nights, but the waters didn't recede for almost a full year, according to Genesis.

Amazing how so many people who advocate the literal interpretation of the bible don't even know what the hell it says.

Anyway, if all of the ice on earth melted and all of the humidity in the air condensed as rain, scientists say that there still wouldn't be enough water to cover even the highest mountains.

Yes, there are flood myths all over the world, but these flood myths are different enough from Genesis that they aren't describing the same thing, on the same scale, at the same time. It shouldn't be considered unusual that other cultures have flood myths. Lots of places have floods. It doesn't take a brain surgeon to figure out that native people will speculate about them and build stories from them. For that matter, most other cultures have a Santa Claus.

Is that a coincidence?

El Chistoso

Answer 3

I do not know the answer and I will not pretend I no the answer. Has it occured to you though, that maybe Mt. Everest formed after the Great Flood? or was an effect of the Great Flood so that it towered above the water? And to address the mass the water came from below the earth and atmosphere. The mass of the water was already a part of the Earth and had no effect on the orbit, becuase there was no added mass. Look up Antoine Lavoisier sometime.- A RHS freshman.

Answer 4

Another fact,how come Earth's orbit was the same when the planet was covered with water billions of years ago?Thats right,the entire Earth was covered with water,Noah's Ark as well as Matsya Avatar (A Hindu story which is very similar to Noah's Ark) cannot be argued against because of the fact that the whole world was covered with water,the sun is powerful enough for the Earth to lose orbit even while extremely dense,meteorites,astroids as well as comets all travel many,many times faster then the speed of sound,some recorded at mach 80,this is enough to pull away from Earth's atmosphere effortlessly,and yet meterorites,astroids and comets are grasped by the sun's stregnth.Our planet is so insignificant if you think about it,we are the sun's dust.You are right,the Earth may have had different orbits,but you also have to remember how Pangaea was,Noah's Ark has many claimed dates,and this is what would lead to real "scientific evidence".Heck if humans are claimed to have lived millions of years ago to 350 million years ago,you have no argument against Noah's Ark.Mount Everest increases in size two feet every year,so imagine the size 10,000-1,000,000 years ago.

Answer 5

Here's something on Youtube.com which explains why you are so misguided. I saw this on another YA post, but thought I'd pass it along.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=S0OWqoBemyE&mode=related&search=

You commented, "so if Geneisis is true", which obviously it is not. But xians have the answers for everything, don't they. Even if that answer is based on the impossible. For instance, Genesis's account of "In the beginning" suggests there was sunlight before there was a sun. "God said, Let there be light" and there was light. It was AFTER that that he created the Sun.

Just another bible contradiction. But like I said, I'm sure xians have an explanation as plausable as faries and leprachans.

Answer 6

"an additional 5 miles of vertical waters above our heads. With the added mass of the Earth, our orbit around the sun would have changed. Why does the bible not account for this?"
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you use the words "additional" and "added" but the water was already here, it didn't come from out of nowhere!

Noah was not in view of Everest either and YHWH only needed to bring to ruin those ruining the earth, which civilization probably had not spread too broadly from the time of Adam until Noah.

All the mountains in the sight of Noah were covered and that entire wicked civilization was eliminated is what the Bible account says.

Answer 7

A couple of years ago a catastrophe struck South-East Asia, an undersea earthquake triggered a massive tsunami, which inundated a large part of the maritime regions of several countries thousands of kilometres apart, hundreds of thousands of people died.

About ten thousand years ago some catastrophic event happened that affected areas right around the world, in modern Spain, in the Pyrenees, there are caves filled with the bones of sabre-tooth tigers, hippopotami, bison, auracks, even homo sapiens sapiens, and his close cousin homo neanderthalis. All mixed together, species that would not normally be within miles of each other, yet in these cases they all died together.

In Siberia hundreds of thousands of wooly mammoth, and other large herbivores, were swept into the permafrost of the Arctic Circle islands, so many that later expeditions of ivory hunters plundered them for decades. It has been photographed that people have eaten mammoth steak, meat taken from animals which died over 10,000 years ago, still preserved and edible when thawed.

How could this have happened ? I suggest that only by some truly humungous version of what happened in Indonesia, either after-effect of the Ice Age melt-down, or even a meteor strike, there were several around that time.

Either which way, there are flood 'myths' in over 150 cultures around the world, so it is extremely improbable that all those people from all around this globe made up an identical story by coincidence !

To refute this by the argument that there isn't enough water to cover Mt. Everest, is like saying that because we can't see wind that hurricanes must be a figment of our imaginations.

Answer 8

Not to argue *arbitrarily* but the mass of water wouldn't change the earth's orbit. The path the earth follows is independent of the earth's mass (a basketball could trace the same orbit). But the water would have had to have gone somewhere. Not like people took it with 'em when they died.

Answer 9

Yeah, and what about the ducks? The ducks, the fish, the whales and seals all get off Scott free! Seriously, the Bible was written by man... even if it had Divine influence, man still had to interpret "the word of god". So with human interference comes exaggeration, manipulation, and inherent flaws. Even if there was a flood, it didn't necessarily go down as the Bible says it did. I believe in God, not the Bible. The Bible has a lot of mythology, but don't overlook the point of it. It's to inspire people to be good. Even if that means threatening them with drowning.

Answer 10

That seems to be a good detail that religious folks overlook (among thousands of others). But "god does miracles all the time" will be the standard answer... that and "we shouldn't question what god has done."

Sheeple. I'm not one to worship and glorify a being who gets pissed at his creations (to whom he's given free will) and then wipe them off the face of the earth because they won't do his bidding. If I got rid of my son after he's let me down a few times... I'd be a horrible parent and a horrible person.

Why should we expect less from a sovereign ruler?

Answer 11

There was some kind of gigantic flood. It was no wheres near the bible exaggerated it to be. It was not global, very small.
The reason i believe in it (even though I'm not a christian) is because this flood myth is commonly found in mythologys in Europe, North Africa, and the Middle East.

Something happened there, and people recorded it.