Jesus wasn't a christian or read the bible...?

Question

He found God and wisdom in life through experience and learning. Did he not? (If you say he did not pls explain).
Please keep in mind that there is no record of Jesus between the ages of 14 and 28. (I am speaking under correction but believe these to be the correct ages)

Why don't people try and do the same rather than taking everything, the bible or any religion, say as absolute truth about God and our existence?

No Bible quotes please.

Answer 1

"Experience and learning" are two raw materials that might produce wisdom if enough contemplation/meditation is used. Learning often produces knowledge, but not wisdom. The head trips of intellectuals can put others off as much as the Bible-quoting of believers. From experience I have found that there is a Divine spark in each one of us. Often it's covered over with many scabs from the wounds of life. I'm a prison Chaplain, and know that it takes patience to listen when much of what you first hear is crap. But usually, it's possible to cut through the crap with the right questions. This excepts the sociopaths & psychopaths who are sick enough to seek only better defenses out of verbal exchanges.

Answer 2

Right he was not a christian, and could not be such, because he was not real, but only a composite figure , a fictional character invented by the writers of the NT. Believers do not understand the Bible, because they have never studied anything about it; they only read the bible and that is all. They always try to quote the bible as some kind of proof - how can you prove something by using as proof the thing you try to prove? Can't be done. In the OT many places can be found where the NT writers tampered with various verses to make them seem to be prophceies of Jesus, but nothing in the OT is a prophecy of anyone named Jesus. What people don't grasp, and believers are afraid to think about this, is that the writers of the NT were royals and aristocrats, very well educated and the biggest crooks the world has ever known. The RCC continues to operate as the NT writers set it up to operate, the only difference between the Roman Empire of ancient times and today is, long ago there was an Emperor but today there is that pope walking around in fine clothing and crowns and all sorts of jewlry and living as a king. I say to all believers, awaken fools.
Antonius

Answer 3

First of all your question's grammar is so bad I'm not totally sure WHAT your question actually IS.

If you're asking "Jesus wasn't a christian?" the answer depends on your point of view. If you feel Christianity was something created after Jesus's death, then it's impossible. But does being a christian simply mean you follow the teachings of Jesus? Many feel this is the correct definition. If he in fact did practice what he preached (ya think?) then yes he was. I just don't think he was arrogant enough to actually call himself a "me-ist". Carl Marx said that while he was many things, he was definitely NOT a Marxist.

If you're saying he didn't read the bible, well, not a lot of people knew how to read back then. Maybe it's an unfounded assumption, but I believe that he probably did know how to read, and he at LEAST had read the first 5 chapters of the bible, since Jews have and still do hold those in great regard as the most important.

Answer 4

Actually, Jesus did exist before he was 14, Mary kept him hidden until it was time for him to do what he needed to do. He was born to Mary, she was a virgin. Jesus is the son of God. I know that the bible does not say anything like this but it's true. The bible was made by man. Mary and her husband had to leave their home because it was ordered that all newborns was to be killed. The Prophets knew of the coming of Jesus. And why he was sent. Jesus was neither a Christian or a Catholic. He was a Baptist. He did not do his teachings in a church. He preached on the streets. If you ever watched any of the movies that had anything to do with Jesus you will see this. The latest movie about Jesus from Mel Gibson was really good. The churches only tell you what they want you to know. As long as you got Jesus in your heart, then that's all you need. I haven't been to church in years. Don't get me wrong. I believe in God and Jesus. And I believe that when I die I will be with them both. The answer to your question, Jesus did not find God and wisdom through experience and learning, God was always with Jesus from the time he was born. Jesus is the son of God. Watch the movie Stigmata it also tells about the real teachings of Jesus. There are alot of tapings out there that tell the real story of Jesus.

Answer 5

If "there is no record of Jesus between the ages of 14 and 28", then what's your source for the claim that Jesus "found God and wisdom in life through experience and learning"?
Jesus found God and wisdom in life most likely from the same source as any other Jewish boy of the time: through study of the Jewish scriptures under the rabbis.

Answer 6

Why are YOU frightened of the Bible?

cf Jesus as a boy; Luke 2:41-52; passages such as Matthew 4:4 where Jesus says "it is written" show that Jesus was fully conversant with the Old Testament which was His Bible.

Matthew 22:29 is a verse which can be fairly safely quoted out of context to explain why so many people are in error.

What you fail to realise is that the canon of Scripture is like a ruler or standard by which we judge accuracy and truth. So if I say that I am 200cms tall you can measure my height against agreed standards of measurement. When the tape reaches the top of my head and it only reads 165cms for example it is plain for all to see that I am either deluded or I am a liar. Similarly the way to discern truth is to weigh words and actions against the accepted canon of Scripture.

Jesus didn't just "find" God - He was already Lord. What He did was to do His Father's Will by growing in patient obedience into the role and mission preordained for Him.

Answer 7

Your question is nearly unanswerable, not because it presents some difficult postulate, but because of the way you arranged it. You said "No Bible quotes" which bans most of our sources of knowledge. Fortunately, however, we have other sources.

By Tradition we know that Jesus proclaimed that He is the Son of God. He did indeed grow and mature even as we all mature, but He did so as God, and in some mysterious way this functioned alongside His divinity.

According to the first century book of I Clement (not in the Bible), He established the Church to guard His teachings and foreknew (and told the Apostles) that people would challenge them, so He had them guarded and sealed by the bishopric.

We, thus, have our answer. Jesus prayed and went off to meditate in silence as a Man. As God, He bridged the gulf between humanity and divinity, and made it possible for us to become partakers of the divine nature within His Church through His sacraments and via prayer, and thus, flee the corruptions around us.

Christianity has several sources of Truth: Church Tradition (both oral and written, including the Bible), prayer, experience, reason, and the sacraments. In Christianity, then, Truth is indeed absolute and experiential, but Christ is that Truth, and these other things point to Him.

OTOH, the method you propose doesn't lead to truth. There is a cacophony of other religions and personal views to sort through. If I take that approach, I must believe truth is unknowable, which I will not do. I will lean on Christ and His Church (the ancient Orthodox and Catholic Church that can trace itself physically back to Christ).

Answer 8

Jesus was not a Christian--true. How could He be? Christianity is a religion based on Jesus. Jesus did not read the bible-- false. The NT was not written at the time of Jesus, because the NT was written after the death of Jesus and centers on Jesus. The OT however is a history and Jesus did quote scripture from the OT all the time. I am going to honor your request and not give you any bible quotes.

Answer 9

You say there are no records of Jesus from ages 14 to 28. Then you say "No Bible quotes" in answers.

There are records of Jesus outside the Bible, but to my knowledge, they do not address the topic at hand.

Therefore, how can anyone answer? You have set aside the applicable historical documents- the four Gospels and the Epistles.

Answer 10

he didnt 'find God'... he is part of God

while there are no 'recorded' things about Jesus between those ages, He spoke to the leaders in the Hebrew temple at the age of 12 and his wisdom and understanding of the torah and scriptures/Word of God at that age already was beyond those men. he did 'read/study' the bible, as was accustomed to children of that era

Jesus was a Jew, and followed what that religion taught, as long as it was in the lines of His Father, God... but he was the Christ... therefore He is the head of the Christian church