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i feel hell does not have the fire as we see... but it is a place of seperation from god.... in sense to say that God is a person with positivity and negetivity was never chosen by him... and negetivity was chosen by the satan... so i think ppl in hell will have a storng feeling of guilt burning as fire... and i also think that as god has a plan for human beings not to go to hell... even if they would have to as sinners... sake of gods love they would not... and if i can add a question to this.... if god has a plan to save the humanity wat about the angels which are fallen... is he going to save them out of his gacious love??

2007-04-24 17:13:05 · 18 answers · asked by joeldavids 1 in Society & Culture Religion & Spirituality

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Partially correct, in that Hell is created out of Love, but also Justice.

1. Wouldn't everyone repent when faced with hell?
2. Would God let out people who repented?
3. Why was Hell created?

One argument against hell is this: No person in his right mind would choose eternal punishment in hell over heaven. Therefore everyone would repent when sent to hell. If God lets the repentant leave, hell will be empty (and therefore can be disregarded). If God doesn't let the repentant leave, God is unjust for continuing to punish them after they've repented.

The trouble with this line of reasoning is that repentance is not simply a matter of one saying, "Okay, I'll say whatever you want me to, just get me out of here!" Repentance involves acknowledging one's guilt, feeling remorse and the desire to change one's behavior, accepting Christ's sacrifice as substitutionary punishment for one's wrongs and agreeing to love and obey God (including Christ as God the Son). This includes by definition acceptance of eternal punishment in hell as just punishment for one's sins; while the skeptic may still object that continued punishment of the repentant is unjust, the repentant will respond that their continued punishment is deserved and could only end through God's mercy.

However, in reality people in hell won't repent, in particular not any skeptic who makes the above argument. If one thinks God is unjust for punishing people in hell, actually going there isn't going to make one suddenly decide that God is just and deserves one's love and worship after all. People are given their entire lives on Earth as an opportunity to repent and accept God; if they refuse each day of their lives to repent and believe they're justified in doing so, it's hardly conceivable that punishment in hell would change their minds. In other words, the gates of hell are actually locked from the inside.

Since hell is comprised of those who would never repent, the second question, “Would God let out people who repented?” is only a hypothetical one; it could be argued either way. In practice, someone who would repent in hell would be given the opportunity to repent on Earth and would presumably repent before they died, not after.

As for eternal punishment for finite life of sin, the answer is that our sin bears an eternal consequence because it is ultimately against an eternal God. When King David committed the sins of adultery and murder he stated, Against you, you only, have I sinned and done what is evil in your sight (Psalm 51:4). David had sinned against Bathsheba and Uriah, how could David claim to have only sinned against God? David understood that all sin is ultimately against God. God is an eternal and infinite Being. As a result, all sin is worthy of an eternal punishment.

An earthly example of this would be comparing attacking your neighbor and attacking the President of the United States. Yes, both are crimes, but attacking the President would result in far greater consequences. How much more does sin against a holy and infinite God warrant a terrible consequence?

In short, hell and heaven were created out of God's love for mankind as a consequence of free will. God could not have created a morally free creature who could not possess the potentiality to choose to sin. God, being perfectly righteous will righteously respect the choices a person makes and grant them the eternal life they sought through the exercise of their own free will. In short, we choose the behavior, and thus we have chosen the consequences.

2007-04-24 17:24:58 · answer #1 · answered by Ask Mr. Religion 6 · 1 0

As Bible described there is really a blazing fire in Hell.
Remember God is a consuming fire. Either fire refines or fine destroys depends on the relationship with God that a creature has.

As for fallen angels, there is never a saving blood for them.
God lends to the descendants of Abraham but not to angels.
Why?
Because angels can see God's face, be in his presence and see his glory, the responsibility asked of them is greater. And Satan chose it of his own free will to rebel an sin against the Most High....while human beings became Satan's captive or the deceived ones by trickery.

2007-04-24 17:26:59 · answer #2 · answered by Philadelphia 2 · 0 0

This is a common interpretation but it is not supported by Scripture. I'm not sure what you mean about positivity and negativity. In metaphor, God is truth and light while Satan is deception and darkness - those could be positive and negative representations. But Satan isn't responsible for every negative thing; sometimes it's just a consequence of natural law. Drop a hammer over your toe, gravity will make it fall, and you'll get hurt. Negative, but not evil.

Hell is definitely separation from God. But virtually every reference in the Bible also mentions fire. Basic hermeneutics says that unless there's a particular reason to interpret "fire" as anything else, we have to understand that the author really meant fire.

In Jesus' story about the beggar in heaven and the rich man in hell, the rich man didn't feel guilty! There's no reason to assume hell would induce guilt. He did feel regret and wanted to warn his family.

God does have a plan for humans not to go to hell. It's the salvation that belief in Jesus provides. But everyone has a choice about whether to believe or not. The angels were there, so we have to assume they believed, but quite obviously they didn't all like the way God was doing things. Those who rejected him were cast out, just like people who reject salvation will not be in heaven either. The angels already made their choice.

2007-04-24 17:26:47 · answer #3 · answered by Anonymous · 0 0

The Bible clearly states that hell has fire. Hell is not about positive vs negative. In Revelation, Satan, his demons and all those that have rejected Christ as Savior are tossed into the "lake of everlasting fire". However you are right in that God DOES have a plan for saving humans from hell! It is exactly what Jesus came to earth for. He was born of a virgin, lived a sinless life, was crucified,(murdered), and rose again on the 3rd day. His blood paid for ALL your sins; past, present and future. It is a gift from God! All you have to do is accept it. All who accept His gift through grace will spend eternity with God, those who reject it will spend eternity in hell. The fallen angels are doomed to eternity in hell. God cannot be where sin is, that is why we need Jesus' redemptive work on the cross and that is also why Satan and his demons cannot exist in heaven. God will not save the fallen angels out of His gracious love because the demons (fallen angels) decided to follow Lucifer when he said he was greater than God. In essence, they rejected God as their authority and believed in Lucifer's lie. The Bible says that 1 out of 3 angels went with Lucifer.

there is no "magic prayer" that you must pray for salvation. If you would like to know that you are going to spend eternity with Christ then follow this model prayer. What makes it effective is your heart, your desire, not your words.

Dear Jesus, forgive me a sinner. I know that without you I could never enter heaven. Thank you for dying on the cross for my sins. I believe that you were born of a virgin, lived a perfect life, were crucified and rose again on the 3rd day. I accept you as my Savior. Thank you for loving me. In Jesus name, Amen.

Keep in mind these aren't all of the verses that address your questions. Here are some Bible references that address your issues:

Salvation:
John 3:16,36; Ephesians 2:8,9,10; Romans 5:8; Romans 10:9-13; Romans 6:23; Romans 3:23,24; Acts 4:12

Hell and fallen angels- Matthew 25:41; John 15:6; 2 Peter 2:4; Revelation 20:14,15

2007-04-24 17:52:44 · answer #4 · answered by imdmutt 2 · 0 0

Isaiah 45:7 says "I form the light and create darkness, make peace and create evil: I the Lord do all these things" There is no separation from God, except that which you create in your mind, and even this is temporary.

Does Hell exist? Of course it does. It's just not what you think it is.

As for the Nephalim, they chose the Abyss, but even they will find their reconciliation with the Divine.

By the way, It is Jesus who is Love. By embracing unconditional Love, we can all find our way back to the Divine through Him.

Namaste,

-zz

2007-04-24 17:39:37 · answer #5 · answered by StillWind 2 · 0 0

I would say this to you. I believe God never lies or tries to mislead us. His word says hell is a "lake which burneth with fire and brimstone" (Rev. 21:8) The Bible speaks of hell like this repeatedly--and clearly. Rev. 20:14 says "And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire." As for the fallen angels, they have already been cast into hell to be reserved until the day of judgement. (2Pet. 2:4) They too will be cast into the lake of fire.

You are correct about one thing: God has a plan for human beings not to go to hell----and that was the crucifixion, death and resurrection of His Son, Jesus Christ. He took our sins on that cross and paid the penalty for them-He died in our place. All we need to do is admit we are sinners who need salvation, believe in our hearts that Jesus is who He says He is, and ask Him to forgive us and be our Lord and Savior. All who do this with a sincere heart will not be turned away, but will find eternal life with Him. It is by rejecting Him that we choose hell. God has one, perfect plan. That's it. We choose.

You can't change what God Himself says. Your explanations make no difference to the truth. Please don't deceive yourself or others.

2007-04-24 17:47:46 · answer #6 · answered by beano™ 6 · 0 0

I think we have to be careful not to conceptualize something that is so well documented in Scripture. The OT describes a place of suffering with fire and brimstone, a fiery pit, to John it was revealed as a massive lake of fire that all sinners were dropped into along with Satan and his minions.

There are 2 very distinct paths that God describes all throughout Scripture. One leads to destruction, and one leads to eternal reward.

2007-04-24 17:33:09 · answer #7 · answered by Anonymous · 0 0

Jesus likened it to the valley of Gehenna, where garbage was dumped and burnt. It was so large that it burned day and night 24/7. Also the story of Lazarus and rich man. Rich man begged for 1 drop of water to quench his burning for an instant. And 'death and hell are cast into the galaxy of fire,...and the smoke of their torment rose up for ever and ever and ever' The word translated lake by many translations is wholly inadequate. It is more accurately translated galaxy, a whole galaxy of fire reserved for Satan and his followers.

2007-04-24 17:32:03 · answer #8 · answered by Anonymous · 0 0

Well hell was created when lucifer turned evil and sinned, he was thrown out of heaven and then hell came to be. God did not create hell. Your answer could quite possible be correct.

For your second question, God is the god that has love and justice within him, his descision will come. But we have no notion of what He will do. God's will is unknown until he shows it.

2007-04-24 17:44:35 · answer #9 · answered by Anonymous · 0 0

Your interpretation could be correct. I can not judge it.

As to whether or not God's grace will forgive the fallen angels, the answer is clearly No based on the book of Revelation. It clearly states that Satan and all of his army will be thrown into the pit.

2007-04-24 17:18:46 · answer #10 · answered by Poohcat1 7 · 0 0

On what do you base your ideas? You have to prove them with Bible verses. We shouldn't trust our heart because we are imperfect and that's why we don't think correctly and we have to study God's word to attain true wisdom.

"The heart is more treacherous than anything else and is desperate. Who can know it?" -- Jeremiah 17:9

That is why, just as through one man sin entered into the world and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men because they had all sinned." -- Romans 5:12

"The fear of Jehovah is the beginning of wisdom." -- Psalm 111:10


Most people see hell as a literal place of fire and brimstone, of unending torment and anguish.

The Bible has a different image of hell. It says that after death we cease to exist.

"All that your hand finds to do, do with your very power, for there is no work nor devising nor knowledge nor wisdom in She′ol, the place to which you are going." -- Ecclesiastes 9:10

"For the living are conscious that they will die; but as for the dead, they are conscious of nothing at all, neither do they anymore have wages, because the remembrance of them has been forgotten." -- Ecclesiastes 9:5

"The soul that is sinning—it itself will die." - Ezekiel 18:4

"For the wages sin pays is death." -- Romns 6:23

"Then the dust returns to the earth just as it happened to be and the spirit itself returns to the [true] God who gave it." -- Ecclesiastes 12:7


Only those who repent, change and respect God's laws will be saved.

"Although he was a Son, he learned obedience from the things he suffered; and after he had been made perfect he became responsible for everlasting salvation to all those obeying him." -- Hebrews 5:8,9

"... but he that has endured to the end is the one that will be saved." -- Matthew 10:22

"What! Do YOU not know that unrighteous persons will not inherit God’s kingdom? Do not be misled. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men kept for unnatural purposes, nor men who lie with men, nor thieves, nor greedy persons, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit God’s kingdom." -- 1 Corinthians 6:9,10


For more information go to:
http://www.watchtower.org/library/pr/article_03.htm
http://www.watchtower.org/library/w/2002/7/15/article_01.htm
http://www.watchtower.org/library/w/2002/6/1/article_02.htm
http://www.watchtower.org/library/w/1996/2/1/article_02.htm
http://www.watchtower.org/library/w/2003/11/15/article_01.htm

2007-04-25 00:32:36 · answer #11 · answered by Alex 5 · 0 0

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