Atheists- everything that has a beginning has a cause, right?

Question

the law of causality states that everything that has a beginning has a cause. agreed? so something out there has to be eternal because to be eternal is to be outside of time and never to have begun. now, some atheists may argue that the universe itself is eternal. but Einstein proved that theory to be false when he discovered that the stars of the solar system are moving outward. henceforth , the universe is expanding. meaning, its growing and effected by time. so if its not the universe that is eternal, something else is..... meaning a God perhaps?

Answer 1

You could call it god if you want, but I'll admit I don't know.

Didn't Hubble discover the expanding universe?

If you can imagine an uncaused god, can you imagine an uncaused bang?

Asking for a cause for time is logically absurd.

Anything existing outside of time cannot change, make, or do anything. These things can only happen in time.

Answer 2

Wrong. Generally, everything that has a beginning has a cause but there may be things such as universes that do not have a cause. Time and space are generally accepted to have come into existence at the same instance which make the question of what was before the universe nonsensical because there was no time for there to be a "before" in. We would have to accept that the universe was the start and cause of everything else.

Answer 3

If everything needs a beginning then god does too. The only thing eternal is matter and energy, it is not created or destroyed. The universe has a "starting point" and it is expanding and it may collapse again into nothing again (read as everything compressed into "nothing") it will then expand again over trillions of years with no sign of us and no history.

Answer 4

1) Our current universe is not eternal, but something outside it might be.

2) That was Hubble, not Einstein. And it was for galaxies in our universe, not stars in our solar system. There's only one star in our solar system, and that's the Sun. The galaxies themselves are not expanding, the space between them is.

3) There's plenty of evidence for an expanding, accelerating universe. None yet for god. If you have to push back your god so far that he's outside the universe entirely, what's the point? Couldn't you just be imagining it all?

Answer 5

carl sagan had come up with another theory: the oscillating universe.
kind of like a yo-yo. the universe expands, then gravity and mass takes over again, and starts to contract, then explodes outward again, wash, rinse, and repeat ad nauseum
also, the law of causality may not hold true for an open system, like the universe. some theories, like entropy, only hold for closed systems. causality may be one of them.

Answer 6

So you believe in the law of causality (a law of physics), and that the stars are moving, but not in any other science proving evolution, the age of the earth, etc.? You can't pick and choose only the science that supports your argument.

Answer 7

No... not a deity. A deity is a... particular thing, not an Eternal thing.


The tao that can be told
is not the eternal Tao
The name that can be named
is not the eternal Name.

The unnamable is the eternally real.
Naming is the origin
of all particular things.

Answer 8

Define where something "begins" and where things actually "end". Both are variables and not finite. So no I do not agree. All things do arise due to causes and conditions but at what point can you logically define a "beginning"? Buddhism eschews such illogical trash.

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Answer 9

Ok, so there is something eternal, why does it have to be a god like writen down in our little books?

Answer 10

Who created god? And if u can say no one created god caus hes eternal mabye the universe is etenal as well.