Catholics, what is the trinity based on...?

Question

...the Athanasian Creed or on the Bible? If it's the Bible, please give proof.

Answer 1

I am not a Catholic, but I couldn't help but to answer this question, since I noticed that no one believing in the trinity could answer with anything other than, that it is a mystery...or above our understanding...God went to a lot of effort making sure that we have his inspired word, to set things straight, not to create more mystery...he wants our worship to be with truth, not falsehood and mystery.

Just out of curiosity, I followed the link that Jessica provided on her answer. All I can say is "false doctrine" and confusion deluxe!!!! That doesn't even make sense. The only thing that makes sense is what the Bible plainly teaches, and not only does it not teach the trinity, but it does not teach "godhead"! I wish people could see how dishonoring to God, and even to God's Son, Jesus, that this teaching is...

There are three separate entities... Jehovah (YHWH) God, the Father...he is the Universal Sovereign, the only Almighty God...

then there is Jehovah's Son, Jesus Christ...who was sent to earth, who gave his perfect human life as a ransom so that we might become reconciled to God, and gain everlasting life...

and there is the holy spirit, God's active force (a tool, so to speak, which God uses for many purposes)........

so although all three are vital to our worship, it is Jehovah alone who is the one true God.

Psalm 83:15-18: "So persecute them with thy tempest, and make them afraid with thy storm.

16Fill their faces with shame; that they may seek thy name, O LORD.

17Let them be confounded and troubled for ever; yea, let them be put to shame, and perish:

18That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, art the most high over all the earth."
(King James Version)

Jesus speaking to Peter...

Matthew 16:15-17: "He said to them: “YOU, though, who do YOU say I am?” 16 In answer Simon Peter said: “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.” 17 In response Jesus said to him: “Happy you are, Simon son of Jo′nah, because flesh and blood did not reveal [it] to you, but my Father who is in the heavens did. "

Jesus said of himself that he is the Son of God. If he were anything other, he would have said so.

Answer 2

How many people have actually read the Athanasian Creed? I have, and it is very contradictory and confusing. Not mysterious, just confusing. Athanasius uses made-up theological terms that do not exist in the New Testament. This was necessary to teach the Trinity, because it is a made-up doctrine, a tradition of men.

Yes, the Bible does mention Father, Son, and holy spirit, but it does not say that these are the One God, as Trinitarianism teaches.

Rather, the Bible teaches that the Father is supreme, his beloved Son is subordinate to Him (even in heaven), and the holy spirit is nowhere called God in the New Testament.

One can come up with many verses that show Jesus acting in the power that God **gave** him, but this does not show that Jesus is God. It merely shows that he acted by God's commission and authority. Even when he was resurrected from the dead as a living spirit, Jesus said "All power is **given** unto me in heaven and in earth." (Matthew 28:18, KJV) Everything Jesus had, including his life, God **gave** to him. (John 5:26)

See this new book on the Trinity, it's fantastic, and puts the doctrine in historical perspective:

"Divine Truth or Human Tradition?" by Patrick Navas
http://divinetruth.homestead.com/index.html

Answer 3

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Answer 4

You know I'm not a Catholic, (((smile))) but I do know that the teaching of the trinity is not based on the Bible.

Without even using references to scriptures, it just doesn't make sense. Wouldn't Jesus have taught his disciples that very important fundamental part of worship. His whole message was to preach the good news of God's Kingdom. Who is God? We find in the Bible that God is one, not triune. So wouldn't Jesus have made that clear that God is not just one being, but made up of 3!

And even in the encyclopedias, it shows how the trinity was introduced into Christianity through popular demand. It was a way to get the pagans to convert to christianity and keep some of their same beliefs. Truly not something favored in the eyes of our ONE TRUE GOD.

I understand that some things are left a mystery for some time, but the very basis of one's belief should be clearly pointed out in the Bible. And the trinity is not.

Answer 5

Looks like Matthew 28:19 is commonly used to answer this question and using it as proof that Trinity is based on the Bible. When Jesus said, "Go therefore and make disciples of people of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit, " Jesus did not imply this as the Trinity- God the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are ONE.

Getting baptized in the name of the Father: ---It means that the individual getting baptized recognizes our heavenly Father’s high position and authority. That the person acknowledged, Jehovah, as our Creator, “the Most High over all the earth,” and the Universal Sovereign.

Getting baptized in the name of the Son: --- means to recognize Jesus’ office and authority as God’s only-begotten Son, acknowledging as well that Jesus gave his life up as a ransom sacrifice in exchange for many.

Getting baptized in HOLY SPIRIT: --- This indicates that the person getting bapitzed recognize that the holy spirit is Jehovah’s active force, used in various ways in harmony with his purpose. Acknowledging that the holy spirit is God's power.... His FORCE. It is holy because it is from God, the Almighty. God uses this force (holy spirit) to accomplish his divine will.

Answer 6

There are references throughout the Bible to various aspects of the Trinity. There are verses that say the Father is God, others that say the Son is God, and more still that speak of the Holy Spirit as God. But the most compact reference is probably the command to baptize Christians in the Name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. -- Matt 28:19

Answer 7

There are verses the bible that make it clear God is known as Creator (Father), Jesus, and Holy Spirit. I don't have the list readily available there's someone in R&S who has it down pat and it's LONG.

But it is very true the the concept of the Blessed Trinity is taken as much from tradition and theology as it is the scriptures. That's just what Catholics do. We think, we reason, and we come up with concepts that fit what we have experienced. (We also fail and are slow to change, but hey, no religion is perfect.)

Answer 8

Catholics believe there is one God consisting of three distinct and equal divine Persons--Father, Son and Holy Spirit

And in the New Testament, God reveals this doctrine even more clearly. For example, at the baptism of Jesus Christ, the Holy Spirit appeared in the form of a dove, and the voice of God the Father was heard: ``This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.'' (Matt. 3:16-17). In Matthew 28:19, God the Son commanded the Apostles to baptize ``in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost.'' And in 1 Cor. 12:4-6, the Bible refers to God with three names: Spirit, Lord, and God-- corresponding to the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.

Answer 9

By the way, it's not just Catholics who believe in the Trinity, it is most Christians. In the creation story of Genesis, God is quoted as saying "let US make man in our own image." The hebrew word Elohim used in the Old Testament is the plural form of the a word for God, Eloah. There are many examples of one thing being made up of many parts. 1 bunch of bananas, grapes, or my favourite, the atom. The atom, the basic element of everthing (I find this symbolic of our Creator) is classified as one but as we all know, it is made up of 3 parts. Just something to get the brain thinking a bit....God Bless!

Answer 10

Matthew 28:19 says.... Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
Father, son and Holy Ghost are Jesus's titles.

Meaning to baptize in the name of Jesus.

Jesus is the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost.

If we were to be baptized in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost. Then the scripture would read...
Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the NAME'S of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: