Enoch powell said there would be a civil war in Britain...do you agree?

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Answer 1

Liberalism is sweeping Europe. Weakness and political correctness will lead Europe into another situation like World War 2.

Answer 2

Ummm... British civil war is unlikely at the moment. The main reasons are we have a strong police and army, and a head of state who is a constant and silent figer head. This means we have stability and pleanty of food etc. The problems we think are modern like yobs and other issuses have bugged the UK for 100's or years, its called life.

Civil wars are only triggerd when the leadership is trully weak and the opposition is likely to become violent. I dont mean weak in the way they get voted out in the next election, I mean when we are starving and the police are so courupt they are inifective and the army is either the opposition or a weak puppet force. The UK is very strong at the moment, if you stop beliveing the papers etc and look at the facts, its not that bad.

In time there may well be a time for a civil war, but we must also remmber what that would take. There are loads of ways upriseings happen. The army lead by a conservitive force like when labour lost control of the unions and Maggie took over. That was as close as it came in modern times, the army took up positions at airports etc, communisum had got right into unions and things were slipping away. But that would have been peaceful and not a shot fired...in fact it did happen, a deal was made and the rest is history...Maggie Snatcher ..Milk snatcher ...

For a violent racial war...well it would be bloody and fast. But as much as some might fancy...it would be less than glam. And only one winner..the natives, ruthless and horrible as it might sound. War is not romantic and a hunted populus would last mearly weeks. Imagine the full force of a nation...oh its happend before...Nazis etc.

It really is in no ones intrest to fight any wars, so as we all get down to the supermarket to do the shopping get home and log on to play games or answer questions, would we really want to give up all this for a pointles war ? na ofcoures not, we all know what will happen if we do...no glory, no romance, just mass murder...and this time we will have big guns and even more evil peeps comming up with ways to execute the mass's...nope I like my telly...leave the civil war to history and lets have a cup of tea...

Answer 3

I don't agree - he said no such thing. He made a speech in April 1968, in which he spoke about the 'professional agitators' who he feared would be encouraged by a bill then before parliament. Here is the paragraph:
"For these dangerous and divisive elements the legislation proposed in the Race Relations Bill is the very pabulum they need to flourish. Here is the means of showing that the immigrator communities can organise to consolidate their members, to agitate and campaign against their fellow citizens, and to overawe and dominate the rest with the legal weapons which the ignorant and the ill-informed have provided. As I look ahead, I am filled with foreboding; like the Roman, I seem to see "the River Tiber foaming with much blood".
Before he went into politics, Powell was a professor of classical languages. He quoted the classics all the time. The phrase used here is from Virgil's Aeneid, Book VI, where the mythical Trojan founder of Rome goes to ask the Sybil of Cumae, a prophetess, what she can see in the future for his city:

Here is her prophecy in translation -

‘Oh, you who are done with all the perils of the sea,
(yet greater await you on land) the Trojans will come
to the realm of Lavinium (put that care from your heart):
but will not enjoy their coming. War, fierce war,
I see: and the Tiber foaming with much blood.
You will not lack a Simois, a Xanthus, a Greek camp:
even now another Achilles is born in Latium,
he too the son of a goddess: nor will Juno, the Trojans’ bane,
be ever far away, while you, humbled and destitute,
what races and cities of Italy will you not beg in!
Once again a foreign bride is the cause of all
these Trojan ills, once more an alien marriage.
Do not give way to misfortunes, meet them more bravely,
as your destiny allows. The path of safety will open up
for you from where you least imagine it, a Greek city.’

Virgil's epic poem was not meant as a history book, even for the ancient Romans - and dropping literary metaphors and allusions into a speech is a very different thing from telling a public meeting you think there is a civil war on the way. Powell was a good classics professor, but a very unwary politician.

He should be remembered for devoting most of his political career to the one part of the country where, in the early 1970's, there really was a low-level civil war going on - Northern Ireland. A conflict which was ignored and minimised as much as possible by other politicians at the time.

Answer 4

It's a little early to tell.

The last war we had was due to unfair taxing and religious persecution... sound familiar? It kicked off the building up of our navy, a strong belief in relgious freedom and the realisation that any state of governance could be overthrown by the will of the populace if deemed tyrranical (that's right Yanks it's true). It was the first republic in Europe since the collapse of the Roman republic (the second one) and we beat the French to it... but it tore the country appart,
"Father and son divided by the sword."

I don't think that a civil war is likely, there may be civil unrest, racist/anti-islamist violence and rising paranoia, but that doesn't constitute civil-war. There's no way of staging a proper civil war anyway as the military is firmly in control and even if this were not so, I'd hardly call it a war if the armed forces decided to take it upon themselves to sieze power themselves, as it'd be more of a coup. Even if the populace could present a significant military threat, do you really belive that the apathetic consumerists that make it up could be motivated to fight for anything more than a space at the petrol station?

I say, doubt it with reservations.

Answer 5

I believe he was write about, immigration, but he saw the threat from blacks - who have and are always willing to intergrate. The threat has obviously come form cultures who refuse to intergrate into British society - something that Labour at the time and Labour today encourages. We have many cultures in Britian (which is the best country in the world - does that make me a racist beacuse I think Britain is better than say for example France, America, Spain, Pakistan)?, but to many cultures means we are pulling at different sides and not moving forward as one. I think he was right about somethings and to be honest, if he had won leadership of the Tory party and called a landslide election he would have won by a landslide. Think of it from the other side though, the British who settle in France and in Spain don't intergrate, just like certain Muslims don't intergrate, but at least we have a similar culture to the France or Spain (clothing, litertaure, arts, food, sport etc..). Powell was very clever, but so was Blair, the question that needs to be addressed is people were invited to live in the British Isles, how do we intergrate those people who moved here into a British scoiety. What is Britishness?

Answer 6

Yes i do think a civil war will happen again in this country (and i hope it is soon) purely because of the way we are being herded into all this political correctness crap, in Barnsley Museum they took down a picture of a monkey playing a violin that had hung there for 50 years. The reason they took it down was because animals may find it offensive. In the 50 years it was hanging there have a guess how many animals actually complained? Yes your right, Nil, Zero, None, Zilch, not one.

A certain council down south (who will remain nameless) advised there staff to stop using the phrase Political Correctness. Why i hear you ask. Well because it is Politically Incorrect to say Polically Correct. Barmy!!!!!!!!!

One of the biggest contributing factors to any Civil War in this country will be immigrants and refugees. I went to change Banks from yorksire Bank to the Halifax but they said i could not have an account with them. Guess what. The bank was full of immigrants withdrawing all the lovely state benefit that we give them, they all had Halifax bank accounts. Alot of them were actually also wiring money home to their families in whatever country they have come from, so we are funding thier families in other countries now too. This has to stop. Its madness, we are second rate citizens in our own country while refugees and immigrants laugh at us.

Answer 7

Unfortunately yes.

My reasoning is that many people are heartily fed up with the following:-

Abuse of the Legal System.
Abuse by Banks.
Abuse by Petrol Companies.
Abuse by Government.
Abuse by Yobs.
Abuse of Hospitality.
Abuse of Social Help.
Abuse by Self Serving Politicians.
Abuse by self aggrandisement of the Police hierarchy.
Abuse by the Education System.
Abuse by non-caring Parents.
Abuse by the Media.
Abuse by the Food Industry (continually feeding us poisons).
Abuse by Self Serving Health Service Management.

The Law will be taken by the Common People and handed back to Government after 10 years of cleansing.

Many think that Religion and Race will cause the Civil War. No that will only be the spark.

Like minded People of all Races and Religions will join forces and make a better land.

Answer 8

How do you have a civil war without guns? When one side has decided to rise up and has broken the laws by getting illegal guns. Which group cares nothing for the law, hates the society they live in and would overthrow it and place their own laws and beliefs in place by force. In fact their Holy Book commands them to subjugate everyone.

It will not be the native Brits rising up, they are the honest, law-abiding people who have let PC politicians disarm them and take away their rights. Since when is flying your country's flag racist? Since some minority complained that they were offended and the PC cowards prostrated themselves.

If a truly patriotic and conservative party was elected and it rolled back the last decades of socialism and cowardice, then there would be a civil war with the non-natives aided by the die-hard idiots in the PC crowd.

Vote for those who say they will do as you want and hold them to their words. Get tough on illegal immigrants. Insist that legal immigrants become British and speak English. They have to adapt to the UK, not the UK to them.

Answer 9

When are people going to realise that he was correct!theres already racial tension now due to immigrants coming over here and sponging off the state and having more rights than the british people who were born and bred here!the sooner we get this points sytem like the ozzies have the better!and whoever put that this country has always been a country of immigrants is talking out of there ****!my mum can remember the first black person she saw and she wasnt allowed to speak to her!that was in the sixties!there was a few but not as many as there is now!britain is losing its sense of identity due to the influx of people that have got nothing to do with us!and that is not rascist thats the truth!i dont really think there will be a civil war as the two sides fighting in the civil war have to be citizens of that particular country and they aint british!maybe a revolution would be more appropriate!

Answer 10

No.

But a lot of what he said was right & he was a good Politician.

The world is so small we should all be able to travel & settle anywhere.

The problem in this country is that the minorities are as racist as the English & they have the support of law, so the balance must be corrected so that we can live together.

Bush, Blair & their cronies have caused much of the unrest in this world but they will soon be out of power & they will spend the rest of their lives on their ill earned gains.

I think that the people of Britain will in the future look more seriously at candidates more closely & choose politicians who they consider will work for the people & not themselves.

This may be some time in the future & there will be no doubt some civil unrest but in the end the people will choose.

Answer 11

Enoch Powell was just a bitter old man who saw power slipping from his fingers as old age crept over his body with only death in view.

He was the worst 'thing' ever to happen to the Tory party - they gave him the heave and rightly so too in my opinion.

There was all that crap about rivers of blood in the streets. Not yet and never will be. Enoch Powell entirely did not understand the British people.

While it may be the case that people who call themselves English may feel threatened by immigration, the same does not apply to the Cornish, Welsh, Irish or Scots. These Celtic nations have very strong cultures and traditions, so do not feel threatened by anyone.

If a person moves to live in Wales, it is assumed that person will take up with being Welsh - it happens. Either that or people simply disappear into the Celtic mist and are never heard of again. Living somewhere out there with the sheep..baaah!

There will not be a civil war until I say so - I hope this is clearly understood...!!!