why aren't those who bullied Cho Seung-Hui and similar situations not arrested for their part in the murders?

Question

Given that each of these school shootings occur for same reasons

why are those who bullied Cho Seung-Hui, who killed 32 people not arrested for their part in the killings of the students?


Much like if somone brings up a dog with no love treating it badly then it mauls a child you arrest the owner.



Well all this abuse and bullying and lack of friends and relatioships appears to have created this time bomb which went off much like the collumbine massacures etc.


ie causeing messed up emotional development with any teachers who let this go.


In Switzerland ALL houses have a rifel yet no school shootings.


A left wing, socialist caring society.


America... competitive, ruthless, money and social hyrachy society.


those kicked to the bottom eventually snap much like the film Carrie but with guns instead of pyschkentic powers...

In the end its the same thing so why are those who started this not arrests and made an example of to stop these happening agai

Posted in diff places as dont know where the best place for it is


And may get different responses say from a leagal and a teaching point of view.

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because in the end we are all personally responsible for our own actions

how about responsible for the effect your actions have on others?

as the first statement gets those off the hook who say incite terrorisim, who maybe run nazi rallies getting people to say kill jews,

Or say people who run unsafe working areas.

ie neglegence

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That's rediculous,are the parents of paedophiles arrested,i don't think so. We are all responsible for our own actions.


ACTUALLY


How many psycopaths where brought up by abusive parents filling their heads with relgious crap about fornicating wickedness, beating the kid for any display of sexaulity or emotion till the kid learn to associate sex with violence...

if the parents did nothing fine if they where sick abusive &&&*( s who trained the kid to abuse others then yes guilty as well

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HOW ABOUT THIS THOUGHT?

AS LONG AS PEOPLE GO ON ABOUT PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY AND THESE PEOPLE ARE SIMPLY MONSTERS


THESE THINGS AND PSYCHOPATHS


WILL OCCUR OVER AND OVER AGAIN WITH NORE INNOCENTS KILLED.


You stop this building up at the start by anlaysing what makes people do this and looking for potienial situaltions building and stop them... no more killings.



Ie people talk about knowing right from wrong.


People like him put it together as everyone hurts me and hurts others, they are all wrong wthey should be punished and removed.

So in his mind its the whole society thats wrong as all they have known is persceution.


In his case add to that the aleady screwwy mental case and availablity if guns and you had a bomb readdy to go off that could have been nipped in the bud.

Answer 1

because in the end we are all personally responsible for our own actions.

Answer 2

The majority of middle school/junior high students would be guilty. You wouldn't be able to just arrest bullies after a serious tragedy, but rather all bullies would need to be arrested before that tragedy occurs. That said, most kids between the ages of 11 and 15 would be guilty.

These are the most difficult years for most people; the chemical and hormonal changes within their bodies are to blame. Whether it be the really tall guy or the short one; the fat guy or the skinny one; the flat chested girl or the "early bloomer;" the kid with acne, or the one with braces. Not to mention how much of a role the opposite sex begins to play during this stage of development. The point is, kids do not quite know who they are during this time, and they desperately want to fit in somewhere.

I can remember how in elementary school there were no noticeable cliques, but once middle school began, everyone started to divide up and everyone became quick to point out the differences about each other. No one was "bully free." Everyone said something degrading, if only once, to someone else, and it can only take one comment to start a person to break away from society.

This being the case, as I see it anyway, it would be impossible to arrest those who bullied the monster of Virginia Tech, because it would set a precedent which in turn would lead to our prisons being more overly populated than they already are today.

Answer 3

Like many others have said here, he pulled the trigger. It was his choice. No matter wha happened to him, HE decided to give in without actually finishing the help he needed. This was his own fault, no one elses. (Though they may have influenced the feelings, he should have found a way to have delt with them.)


However, I have a disagreement with the way bullies are handled. I'm not sure about Switzerland, but in the USA we aren't allowed to fight them. I know, I was bullied for an entire school year, several years in fact, and every time I fought back I got suspended. I think that adds to the problem, in an attempt to become more peaceful, by forcing non-violence, we end up creating it. The bullied defends himself, and he is just as guilty as the bullied. Making the bully, who probably doesn't care about suspension, effectively unpunished.

Finally, because Switzerland houses all have a rifle may actually be why there are less school shootings. Not their society. If your trained, and correctly trained, how to use a gun you respect it. A person who fires a gun knows the damage it could cause, and unless your a little nutso, you won't want to use it.

P.S. You're making a lot of generalizations about America. Yes we are competitive, but not all of us are ruthless- just the jerks, and there is a money&social hierarchy, but there is probably a social hierachy in your so called left wing, socialist caring society. People will always group together with people of simliar opinions and attempt to ostrisize those that infringe upon that opinon. (i.e.- you say that you are all caring, but what do you do with a self-interested individual? Berate him for not being friendly? Probably an extreme example, but I hope you get the jist) Even in a "caring" society. And are you SURE Switzerland has no school shootings? They may be infrequent but they are there, probably.

Answer 4

On your point about the people who bully others into doing extreme acts I agree they should be held responsible but it will be a very difficult thing to prove, as for every house in Switzerland having a gun and nothing happens it is not as true as you think, The only houses that have a gun are those where the man is doing his military service, ( husband, son etc ) they are at present discussing changing the law for this very reason, there are a lot of suicides and family massacres that take place with these guns and I think there has been an incident in a school as well, where the son took his dads gun, on average about 10 people die a year because of these Patriotic Arms , and that is 10 too many, I live in Switzerland.

Answer 5

If you went back and looked for the persons who bullied him or anyone else, you might be able to find them and you might not. Furthermore, you would have no solid proof that those persons were involved in bullying unless you had solid witnesses or videotape or other recorded evidence. Many of us have been teased, verbally abused or bullied and we do not do what this monster did. This in no way excuses bullying, but just how would it be feasible to prosecute everyone who ever spoke harshly or took your lunch money, called you an ethnic slur, etc? I don't see how it could be feasible.
And there are still many caring, kindhearted people in America, so don't try to say that we want to be socialist. I DO NOT want to be in what you call a "caring socialist society". You have some odd ideas in my opinion.

Answer 6

We're all responsible for our own behavior. While Cho's bullies could have instigated whatever homicidal feelings he had, they did not force him to go on a rampage.

It's unfortunate that his mental states was degraded so much and it's unfortunate that 32 people died because of it. If you're going to arrest Cho's bullies then arrest the the owner's of the store that sold him the weapons, arrest the makers of the violent films that he watched and music that he listened to, arrest his parents for conceiving him, arrest the psychiatrists that couldn't help him, arrest the parents of the Columbine murders, etc, etc......

We as people interact with a lot of people everyday and can't be held responsible for what they do as a result, good or bad.

Cho committed the massacre, not his bullies.

Answer 7

Although, this would be a good solution in theory.

The reality is that it would ruin many kids lives for simply being kids. (or young adults)

You would have to think, that anyone who made fun of someone even in the slightest bit could be prosecuted. There would be no way to separate them from the true bullies.

If kids, who normally wouldn't get in trouble, were prosecuted, this could result in them going into a down ward spiral.

It would be bad for society if this was done. Even though it's a good idea.

Like Communism, in a perfect world this would be great. But in reality it won't work.

Answer 8

trying to justify the killings is wrong. regardless of the so called bullying, knowing right from wrong and taking responsibility for ones own actions needs more attention.The boy was in his fourth year of college and some where along the long he knew that murder was wrong. It was premeditated and even though he had mental problems, putting the blame on others for his actions only justifies in other peoples eyes a reason to continue these actions. The state of Virginia shoulders the blame for allowing a certified mental patient to be able to purchase a gun in the first place. That alone would have at least made it more difficult for him to follow through with his sick actions.

Answer 9

back to square one-
persons with mental illness frequently have what is known as DELUSIONS. Sometimes those delusions are of persecution (another way of saying that they are paranoid without reason).
ok? If you still have a hard time with delusions, look it up, and look up psychosis while you are there.
Square two might lead to grasping that mental illness is a brain based illness, just as cancer is... and not a "choice" that persons make of their own free will.
Conclusion (assuming you can put the above 2 together) is that it is not rational to discuss "arresting" persons for things that did not happen, or at worst, were within normal experience.
Bullying was not what caused him to "snap". Mental illness caused him to snap.

Answer 10

According to the police, Cho Seung Hui acted on his own was over 21 years of age and lived in the State of Virginia rather than a perfect world. Hui was a wacko in non-technical terms and not even a martyr despite the apology from South Korea. The Columbine duo were teens; children not old enough to vote and in no way compare with the taciturn young Asian adult who was a ghost in his own home.
Not all people kicked to the bottom "snap" like Carrie. They grow up to create Carrie, get run over by drunk drivers and author even more successful horror tales to amuse the American public. Hui was not all that unique, did not respond to the English professor whom went out of her way to befriend him and was a cold-hearted automaton undeserving of all this bleeding heart sympathy he has attracted. Not everyone is fascinated by a "bad boy."

Answer 11

Because most people who got bullied don't go wacko and kill 32 innocent strangers.

Stop blaming society or whatever influenced his decision. He did NOT have to kill. He chose to. Any claim that "he had to" is self-delusion.

EDIT: I was bullied, ridiculed, and like the perp, I was an Asian American in a strange land. Heck, in my old middle school, I was like the ONLY Asian kid around. OBVIOUSLY I'm the target for bullies. But I ended up alright.

IMHO, the perp "snapped" because he was SICK, and NEVER sought medical attention. Combined with external pressures and isolation caused by cultural differences and his unique circumstances, he developed paranoia and persecution complex, eventually leading to full-blown mass murder.