I have another questions for christians....?

Question

Most of the answers I got were that god has always been. If god has always existed, then not everything complex requires a higher power. The fact that god has always been around and is eternal without the need of a higher power to create him, defies your theory of creationism which states that everything in existence had to have been created by a higher power. are you people trying to tell me that you support a theory that defies your own god?????

hey reportbot, read the answer right below yours

so far charles is the only person who has given a relevant answer to the question

Answer 1

Every thing was made by God!!!! He was not born, because he has always been. I know that is hard to understand, but maybe it is not meant to be understandable.

Answer 2

Let's see if I have this right:

1) God has always existed.
2) God is complex.
3) Complex things require a higher power to have created them.
Therefore
4) If god has always existed, then not everything complex has a higher power to create it, namely god.
Therefore
5) Creationism must be false since it asserts that everything in existence had to be created by a higher power.

First, let me say that creationism is false, but I hold that belief based on other grounds. The question here is did I capture your argument correctly, and if I did is it both valid and sound?

Certainly everyone who is a theist holds that 1) is true. Even most atheists I know would concede that if god actually exists, then 1) must be true.

2) I would be prepared to argue that god is not complex, but simple. This has been a tenet of the Christian faith since the high middle ages: The One, The Good, The True and The Beautiful are a unity and that unity is god. The get the point of this assertion requires a bit more machinery, but for the sake of the argument I will grant the point, except to note that I actually think it false.

3) is certainly false. The mistake, here, is in not recognizing that somethings are both complex *and* necessary. That is to say, there are things that exists whose very nature requires that they cannot be other than they are. So, for example, no premise in any argument can be both true and false; in the integers (base 10) it is necessary that 2 + 2 = 4; there are not two integers "p" and "q" such that "p" divided by "q" equals the square root of 2. Thus, we can hold that god has always existed and that god is complex (which I actually deny) *and* hold that god does not require a higher power to have created god, since god is necessary.

Thus, your conclusion, namely 5, need not be assented to. Again, creationism is false, but it isn't false from the premises you offer.

HTH

Charles

Answer 3

None of the arguments forwarded by philospofical naturalism-1) the universe is merely an illusion., 2) THe Universe sprang up from nothing, 3) The universe eternally existed -satisfactorily account for the existance of the universe. Logically, we can turn only to the possibility that "God created heavens and the Earth" (Genisis 1:1). If that is the case however, it immediately brings up the question- WHO MADE GOD?

First, unlike the universe, which according to modern science had a beginning. God is infinite and eternal. Thus, as an infinite eternal being, God logically can be demonstrated to be the uncaused First Cause.

Furthermore, to suppose that because the universe had a cause, the cause of the universe must have had a cause simply leads to logical dead end. An infinite regression of finite causes does not answer the question of source, it merely make the effects more numerous.

Finally, simple logic dictates that the universe is not merely an illusion; it did not spring out of nothing (nothing come from nothing, nothing ever could); and it has not eternally existed (the law of entropy predicts that a universe that has eternally existed would have died an "eternity" ago of heat loss). Thus, the only philosophically plausible possibility that remains is that the universe was made Cause greater than itself.

Psalm 90:2 "Before the mountains were born or you brought forth the earth and the world from everlasting to everlasting you are God"

Answer 4

If everything that God created was put into a box, God would be the only thing you could know about not in the box. So your ability to think, time, and space... were all created by God. Are you trying to say that you, something God made from dust.... who can't imagine all the atoms on earth....let grasp one edge of the universe to another, has a complete understanding of the Creator's limitations?

Job 38 Then the LORD answered Job out of the storm. He said: "Who is this that darkens my counsel with words without knowledge? Brace yourself like a man; I will question you, and you shall answer me. "Where were you when I laid the earth's foundation? Tell me, if you understand. Who marked off its dimensions? Surely you know! Who stretched a measuring line across it? ...(God keeps going) or

Or Exodus 4 "The LORD said to him(Moses), "Who gave man his mouth? ... Is it not I, the LORD ? Now go; I will help you speak and will teach you what to say."

Answer 5

Your question will never render you the answer you seek. All we know, whether you are a believer in God or not, is that we are told God has always existed and was the creator of everything. Asking someone who created God only brings about a guess at best.

Answer 6

Everything in existence was created by God, and we are talking about everything on earth, planets, universes ...ect. You can't apply this TO God because he is the one who created all existence. It is impossible for you to say that God has a creator who has a creator who has a creator... and so on. It is impossible for us humans to understand this concept because we don't have the high authority that God does. None of us are like him, so none of us can understand this. It is just something we have to believe and accept as a Christian. It's no theory either, it's the truth.


you only agree with Charles' answer because you like his answer and refuse to listen to the truth

Answer 7

God started it all ,therefore what we know as the real world was created by a higher power ,so are we, and that everything physical required a higher power.

Answer 8

I don't see the contradiction. Yes everything was created by a higher power-GOD. Creationism states that GOD created everything and GOD did create everything, it doesn't need a creator for the creator.

Answer 9

It is NO theory! It is Spiritual, Physical, Biological and Archaeological Fact!!

God Has Always Been! Forever and Forever!

"In the beginning God created........Genesis 1.
"In the beginning was God and Word Was God....." John 1

Need I say more.

Be at Peace!

Take Care and God Bless!

Answer 10

Okay...who gave this guy a wrong definition of creationism. Creationism means creations happened exactly the way it did in Genesis...which I think it symbolic and representational.

Every atheist on the planet asks who created God.

Your rhetoric has no basis in reality.

The Skeptic Christian
Grace and Peace
Peg

Answer 11

Ok, let me try to help you understand this....and by doing this, you may fall over in complete exhaustion... so beware.....

If something created God, then that something would of had to be created, and then that something would of had to be created, and then that something would of had to be created, and then that something would of had to be created, and then that something would of had to be created, and then that something would of had to be created........(falls out of chair)

do you see? There is a beginning, and ONE creator and that is God. Human minds may never understand it, and that is because we are NOT God! God is the beginning, He has always been, which means nothing did create Him because He has always been!....if you try to think back and continue thinking back, you will have an anerism (did I spell that right?)