If you want to argue that God and Jesus are one and the same thing, then how do you argue that God is so holy He cannot allow sin to be in His presence? He was in the presence of sin constantly as Jesus.
In Luke an angel tells Mary "...thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son...shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David...The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God" - Luke 1:31-35
The Angel does not say or imply that Mary will give birth to God. But rather, it is clear that Mary is expected to give birth to a "holy thing" made by something called the "Holy Ghost" while God watches.
Matt 1:18 "...she was found with child of the Holy Ghost"
Matt 1:20 "...for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost"
How do you reconcile this 'trinity' with Exodus 20:1-6?
2007-04-19 07:42:41 · 31 answers · asked by Anonymous in Society & Culture ➔ Religion & Spirituality
What a logical and sound argument against the false doctrine of a triad of gods, which, BTW, existed in pagan religions thousands of years before the Catholic church accepted it (thank you so much Constantine!), such as the Egyptians, Assyrians, Babylonians, etc. etc.
So kudos to you :0)
Anyway, to answer your question, for those of us who reject the trinity and see that God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit are three very different things, then we simply give all worship and glory to the creator of us all, God. We love and put faith in Jesus for all he has done for mankind, but we worship only the Father, as Jesus himself did while on Earth (I do nothing of my own accord, but of the one who sent me.)
2007-04-19 07:52:12 · answer #1 · answered by danni_d21 4 · 0⤊ 3⤋
I order to grasp the concept of the trinity you must expose yourself to the 1st chapter of the Gospel of John. The symbolism there is designed for a Hebrew to understand. In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God and the Word was God." John 1:1
"And the Word Became flesh and dwelled among us" John 1: 14.
This is the beginning of understanding. The OT already paints a picture of God and The Holy Spirit. Now God brings into the human equation "The Lamb that would take away the sins of the world" Jesus has always been there, "The Angel of the Lord" but now is made manifest in the body of a child.
Now I know its hard to get your mind around God, The Son, And The Holy Spirit, and I can't impute the knowledge I have to you I can only give you a frail explanation the in the physical is the best illustration of the trinity as our finite minds can comprehend.
Water. Yes my friend Water. Water is H20 three elements joined together to combine the substance of water. Water can be a solid, liquid, or a gas but it is always water. Water in its 3 forms has power, the ability to change things, form things, move things, clean things, purify things, restore things,
.....shall I go on. I believe you get the point.
Now since you mention Exodus, look at the OT version of our faith, a prophet, priest and king. There was not interaction with God for the Israelites without a pure King, Priest, and Prophet. Jesus fulfills these roles by becoming the Prophet (I preach the good news that the blind see, the deaf hear, the lame walk)
The Priest, unless you eat of my body and drink of my blood you cannot enter into the kingdom....The priest prepared the sacrifice and made the offering, Jesus becomes the priest by offering himself for mankind.
The King God rewarded His Son obedients to the cross, by the resurrection and placed Him on the Throne, that we might be reconciled to God through our Savior or King.
I may ramble a bit, I may not be the best at explaining the Doctrine of the trinity. But I believe it. I believe it I believe it I do. and I assure you can as well.
God bless you in your search for His peace
all 4 now B
2007-04-19 08:14:10 · answer #2 · answered by ImJstBob 4 · 0⤊ 0⤋
Christians believe that Jesus' claim to be the Son of God if not a violation of Deuteronomy 6:4, Hear O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one.
Rather, Christians believe in the Trinity, the doctrine that the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are revealed in the Bible as One God, revealed in three personalities.
2007-04-19 08:33:37 · answer #3 · answered by Rick 5 · 0⤊ 0⤋
Exodus is a great example of Why the definition of the Trinity came into being.
The apostolic fathers Knew two things:
1. Jesus possessed and showed the attributes only God himself could have
2. There is only ONE God
Therefore they concluded The two must be of the same essence therefore Divine.
Same goes for the Holy Spirit.
2007-04-19 07:53:10 · answer #4 · answered by williamzo 5 · 0⤊ 1⤋
Because Jesus himself made the claim that he and the Father are one. We do worship one God....we just beleive that his word is as powerful as he and Jesus is that word become flesh. It has to do with the understanding of the word "word"! Words are active and powerful....don't children cry when they are called names...even though they are only words, they carry power.
As far as the Holy Spirit goes, that is the relationship of love between the Father and Jesus. It is initiated by the Father and perfectly received and then reciprocated by the Son. This is Spirit...and because it is God's own Spirit, it is holy.
2007-04-19 08:08:59 · answer #5 · answered by The Carmelite 6 · 0⤊ 0⤋
You are a bit confused. John 1 tells us that Jesus was the Word made flesh, after telling us that God is the Word.
The bible also says that Jesus was without sin. There is one God. God the Father, God the son, and God the holy spirit.
2007-04-19 07:53:46 · answer #6 · answered by Esther 7 · 1⤊ 1⤋
Jesus never told anyone to worship him. He said that the true worshipers would worship the Father in spirit and in truth. (John 4:23) He said nothing about worshiping the Son and the Holy Spirit.
Christians honor the Son as we honor the Father, but worship goes to God, the Father, alone. That's the example Jesus set.
2007-04-19 07:57:34 · answer #7 · answered by בַר אֱנָשׁ (bar_enosh) 6 · 1⤊ 1⤋
Hello.
The answer for this question is a mistery, even for us the Christians and Catholics.
God is three people in one.
The Father, the Son and the Holly Spirit.
I think that... in the siritual world the things are different than our material world. It's possible that the three people of the trinity can be as one, different than us. This could be the nature of God, I don't know.
Well, it is I think.
Bye :-)
Tony Blanco.
Costa Rica, Central America.
2007-04-19 07:51:01 · answer #8 · answered by Tony 3 · 0⤊ 1⤋
God is One. He is present in three persons: the Father, The Son & The Holy Spirit. This may be hard to comprehend to our mortal minds, but nothing is impossible with God.
Look at water for example. Water exists in three forms: clouds in the sky as condensation, it falls to earth as rain, it freezes as ice. Three forms, but still just one element. To deny the Holy Trinity is to fall into heresy as it was defined by the first Christians.
God is that Living Water in three persons.
2007-04-19 07:56:52 · answer #9 · answered by Danny 2 · 0⤊ 1⤋
In John 10:30 Jesus said, "I and my Father are one".
i have a question for you... WHEN DID JESUS SIN? He was tempted, but He never had a single sin. He cannot be the perfect offering for the atonement of our sins if He is blemished Himself.
the Trinity is not bound to how we perceive counting. God chose to reveal Himself in three forms, as a Father who created, as a Son who became mortal, died and risen, and as a Holy Spirit who guides those who believes.
2007-04-19 07:48:53 · answer #10 · answered by its_not_rocket_surgery 3 · 2⤊ 1⤋
The concept of the combination of two Gods - God and Jesus is overcome by combining them. Churches are now teaching that Jesus was, in fact, God. Yahweh is the outcome of henotheism; Christ is a reversal in this instance.
2007-04-19 08:39:26 · answer #11 · answered by Polyhistor 7 · 0⤊ 0⤋