Why can't Christians explain why logic doesn't work in the face of God?

Question

strontium9t:
"why can't atheists explain the origins of the universe logically?"
--Because we don't know how it originated.

"Nothing creates itself . . . everything needs a creator and a first-mover. "
-- How do you know? Plus, if that's true then God needs one as well. If God doesn't need a creator then your statement is wrong.

"Where did the matter come from and what forced it into motion. It MUST have been created by something/someone, and it MUST have been acted upon by an outside entity."
-- Why?

"Logic points to a creator my friend . . . logic demands that there is a creator. "
-- no it doesn't, and even if it did that creator need not be alive, conscious or God.

J K Nation:
"people don't just disappear from graves."
-- Right, that's why it didn't happen.

"people don't let themselve sbe tortured to death over a lie."
-- How do you know they were tortured to death over a lie? You have one source.

"the Catholic Church has lasted 2,000 years. That's longer than any other institution in the world."
-- Not longer than Hinduism. Your point?

Balaam: Sorry, man! I wasn't paying attention...

Answer 1

Au contraire . . . why can't atheists explain the origins of the universe logically? Nothing creates itself . . . everything needs a creator and a first-mover.

In relation to the "Big Bang" which states that the universe originated from a super-dense core of matter that exploded outwards. Where did the matter come from and what forced it into motion? It MUST have been created by something/someone, and it MUST have been acted upon by an outside entity.

Logic points to a creator my friend . . . logic demands that there is a creator.

Edit 1: "Because we don't know how it [the universe] originated."
- My point exactly . . you don't know. So why are you so quick to deny the plausibility of a creator without any evidence? You've entrapped youself within your own logic; using your own justification, you cannot deny the possiblity of a creator.

"How do you know? Plus, if that's true then God needs one as well. If God doesn't need a creator then your statement is wrong."
- Absolutely not. In the Christian religion (and many others) God is utterly transcendent and unbound. Philosophically - there is that which exists that nothing is greater, that is God.

"Why?"
- The entire universe, from the smallest particle to the largest celestial body is governed by laws. You can choose to deny it, but if you jump off a tall building, you're going to go ker-splat regardless of how you feel about it. Which brings up the point: "where did all the laws come from?"

"no it doesn't, and even if it did that creator need not be alive, conscious or God."
- Fred Hoyle was a British astronomer, and staunch atheist, who helped formulate the Big Bang theory. When he realized the significance of the discovery, he became "deeply shaken" and embraced Christianity.

I am in no way trying to convert you, I am simply defending my position. I used to be an atheist. As an engineering student, I was in a materials science class studying crystallography when I realized how well-ordered the universe was. Like Hoyle, I now see intelligence in all facets of the universe - the physical laws, how matter reacts, etc.

I'm certainly not a bible-thumper, but I an convinced that there is an intelligent creator of all things. If you think otherwise, then so be it. Good luck to you.

Answer 2

Because we usually explain why God is logical.

I. E. people don't just disappear from graves.
I. E. people don't let themselve sbe tortured to death over a lie.
I. E. the Catholic Church has lasted 2,000 years. That's longer than any other institution in the world.
I. E. that same Catholic Church actually has sex right when the rest of the world (98% of it) has it wrong--and yet people who follow the Church's teachings on sexuality have a divorce rate of virtually 0%


I can go on and on and on...

Answer 3

Logic does work. Logic justs requires more than one fact and many theories and guess work. Which is why your question is assumed to be true.

Example: If God is righteous, why does he permit His followers to suffer? You would say since they suffer, God must be wrong. The Bible shows God's people would be persecuted by Satan's people, even if they don't understand they ARE Satan's people. They suffer like Job did to prove a principle--that there are people who worship God out of love and not just for what they can get out of it. That God has a right to rule what He built because He can do it better than anyone else.

We also know He is a God of Justice and Love. The question will soon be settled and having power to create life, He can restore it to those who suffered till death.

The universe itself shows He is a Logical God. All the galaxies operate beautifully. Now science has found black holes at the center of every galaxy giving balance to the solar systems and planets within. Earth is in the perfect spot from the sun for life to survive. It tilts on it's axis 23.5 degrees--no more, no less--and we have seasons and a moon provides tides and changing weather patterns.

For this and many other reasons, your question is wrong.

Answer 4

I don't know what you think logic is but God is all about logic. Take creation, for instance:

All of creation is material. It exists in a realm the is governed by time, the fourth dimension, one of the elements of physics. Everything had to have a beginning. Everything will have an end. As such, it had to come from somewhere. But where? What kind of beginning could all these things have?

There couldn't be a Nothing out there, governed by the same realm, that blew up without any influence and became something, especially a something so organized that it could sustain, not to mention start, life, as intricate and complex as it is. The second law of thermodynamics alone strikes down both the Big Bang and evolution as possibilities.

The only plausible explanation is that of an intelligent design from a realm that has power over this realm, and time, creating something from His own realm, needing or using no materials from this realm, since none would exist yet, and, so for practical pruposes from our perspective, speaking everything into existance according to HIs plan... In order to master time He would have to be infinite, by our definition though not necessarily our understanding.

The God we Christians and Jews worship is an infinite being. He had no begining and has no end. The fact that we are finite beings subject to the physical laws of this realm, including time, makes it just about impossible to understand properly enough to prove that which we could have no experience in or test scientifically. The explanation above has been laid down before us for thousands of years and Science has not only NOT been able to refute them but in most ways actually backed them up.

As I have explained in another asnwer:
The apostle Paul wrote,"For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known." We will receive eternal bodies, not infinite since they will have a begining. Being eternal and being made perfect, as initailly intended, we will be able to understand these matters with a new capacity that will come with them.

That can only come through Christ. Jesus said,"I am the Way, the Truth and the Life, no one comes to the Father(God) except through Me."

Answer 5

I don't know any Christians, why are you people always asking questions about Christians?

Of course I am aware you all mean church people. It's a little strange to think of them as Christians.

Answer 6

1Cor 1:19 For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.
:20 Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?
:21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.

Answer 7

God is fully logic, the religion turns it into magic. Can you not see how tragic?

Answer 8

who can explain the logic of God?
faith is the driving force in Christan's.

Answer 9

A soul cannot rely on logic alone.

Answer 10

Interesting...I'm christian and believe that my God is logical.

It's not His problem that our minds aren't able to wrap around His logic.