When neo-cons say "if we leave Iraq then Bin Laden was right about the U.S. being weak" are they just dumb?

Question

When in the history of the United States has the public enjoyed war? Didn't Washington have to hang people to stop desertion? Didn't Americans complain about fighting in WWI and about helping Britain and France and Poland in WWII prior to Pearl Harbor? Didn't Americans hate the Korean and Vietnam wars? Who are these people who think strength is defined as tolerance for casualties?

Answer 1

Not dumb, just right.

Answer 2

You do know that he also said this when Clinton pulled the US troops out of Somalia after his Black Hawk Down fiasco. And, looking at our recent history of the past 3-4 decades also demonstrates this trait.

Our pull-out from Vietnam, followed by the Democrat Congress stopping military aid to South Vietnam, which was then conquered and enslaved by the Communists. The failure of Jimmy Carter to correctly react to the act of war committed by the Muslim radicals when they took our embassy in Tehran and held our people hostage. When Reagan pulled the Marines out of Lebanon after the Hezbollah bombing of the barracks. Clinton's failures to take meaningful action after the 1st WTC bombing, the Khobar Towers bombing, the assassination attempt on George HW Bush or the USS Cole bombing.

And let us not forget the British lack of response to the Iran's recent act of war when they entered Iraqi waters and took British military personnel hostage.

These all are interpreted as weakness, not as strength. In the history of the world, no nation has ever been attacked because it is perceived as strong - only when they are perceived as weak or unwilling.

Accepting that there will be casualties during a fight against evil regimes and groups is part of the perception of strength - because in any fight to victory, there will be casualties. One either pushes to victory - strength - or one abandons the fight - weakness.

This has been a constant theme throughout history; it is not a new idea that was just created by the Bush PR office. You will find the same theme occurring during the Pelopponesian wars, during the Roman Empire, etc, etc, with the most recent glaring example being the events in Europe in the 1930's leading up to WW2.

Answer 3

The Bin Laden family are friends of the George H.W. Bush family. Not only are they friends but they also have some similar financial interests.

Osama Bin Laden had nothing to do with 9/11 except play the part of the fugitive. A fugitive who requires hospital dialisis treatments periodically, yet they have not been able to find him ? In 1999 the CIA met with him in a hospital room while he was getting treated.

The US does not like war. It is the current administration that likes war. The president gets to dress up in many different outfitts for photo ops.

WWI & WWII were not of our doing but we went, our parents sacrificed, gasoline was rationed but we went and after we helped win, we came home.

Korea & Vietnam were the result of intentionally created covert operations staged and arranged by the CIA. They also turned out to be disasters. But they were done for the Oil.

Guess who was a member of the CIA back then and then became director of the CIA. Former president George H. W. Bush. The father of the current no talent act in the White House. The dreaded lame duck "Decider" who is going to string out his last two years with investigations of his administations unadmitted lies. He wants the war going when he leaves office so someone else can wipe his a-- for him.

Lil' George failed at everything he tried to do. Including the oil business that was financed by Osamas brother. A prime choice for Papa George. If you are old enough you should be aware that lil George had to rely on voter fraud in the state where his brother was Governor. He also had been appointed president by the US Supreme Court. Some of the Judges in the Supreme Court owed Papa George a favor for appointing them to the court when he was president.

It was that important to Papa George because the staged events of 9/11 were planned and paid for by the wealthy greedy elite of the world and they wouldn't have worked except lil George was in power with his own "conspiracy theory" and to prevent any investigations.

I encourage you to view the 9/11 videos and other free downloads available at http://www.question911.com/linksall.htm

The Al-CIAda is fictious. Iraq is nothing more than the wealthy elites "Paintball field". One nations covert operations are attacking our soldiers then another countries covert operations attack. We don't stand a chance. Lil George did it again and "screwed up" just as Papa George planned but the multi-billionaires are getting richer. There is a separate war on the middle class and poor americans.

It's time to end the games. It's time for honesty and deciency - if there are any left.

Answer 4

Al Qaeda's perception of America being weak has little to do with US involvement in Iraq. It started with an Egyptian Muslim who studied at a college in Colorado then went home and wrote a book in Arabic saying that American society was weak and rotten at its core and would collapse with a slight push from outside.

His obersvation was that the college men were all brainless muscular jocks, while the women were physically attractive bimbos with lovely legs and nothing upstairs. So America was a shallow society unlikely to survive a shock. He never saw other parts of America where he might have encountered strong people and people with brains.

I don't know if Bin Laden was involved in trapping us into an unwinnable war in Iraq but you can be sure he is laughing his head off. Al Qaeda now has us just where they want us, stuck in a losing situation on their turf, not our turf, where they can just continue cheerfully picking off our troops day after day.

Even if we succeeded in making Iraq our colony and keeping Al Qaeda out of Iraq, surely nobody thinks that they have no other place to go. There are dozens of Muslim countries where they can easily move in. The Muslim world is one sixth of mankind.

Answer 5

I don't think that anyone in their right mind could call this country weak after what we have done in the past 6 years. We have taken over an entire country's government, almost completely disbanded an entire terrorist organization, and redesigned how the world deals with terrorism. And if that doesn't get Bin Laden to think that the US is strong, then maybe the 35,000 innocent people we killed will to the job, or maybe the entire cultures we've destroyed, or the holy sites that we have desecrated. I really dont see how people see us as weak.

Answer 6

Well let's see. Bin Ladin said we were too weak to stay committed for the long term and the Americans public are too weak to accept casualties.

If we leave it will prove him right.

Nope. The "neo-cons" and everyone else who says this is correct.

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Answer 7

I hate wars, they're all about power. Those who lose the war lose power. After Vietnam the US lost power in other nations eyes. Its a common theme in history that you see over an over again. History does repeat itself to those who don't know it.

Answer 8

No, they're completely right. And your claims are entirely wrong, except about the public enjoying war -- to which I say, it doesn't matter if you enjoy it or not if it's the right thing to be done.

Answer 9

The fact that we're in Iraq in the first place already proved that we're dumb. Staying makes us dumber. Bin Laden is laughing at us, still free, while we flounder around in a country that had nothing to do with him.

Answer 10

It's like getting called chicken to jump off the roof!

Do you jump and break your legs?

Answer 11

Nope.