catch wrestling vs. brazilian jiu-jitsu?

Question

best grappling style

Answer 1

Both times Josh Barnett and Nogeira fought we got to see just that, they are 1-1 against each other so I say they fight again and you'll have the answer.

Yeah and the who Saku defeating all the gracie's save Rickson (According to a member of Saku's training camp said that Saku and Rickson will fight in Saku's final fight with K-1 HERO's and the Yakuza are forcing Saku to take a dive)

Thats why this generation of MMA fighters train all of them.

Answer 2

Shamrock's, Josh Barnett, Erik Paulson, Gene Lebell are all influenced by catch wrestling from what I've read.

BJJ is obviously a great style.

It is hard to sort out which is which now. Since they all competed over time and influenced each other.

I imagine the early catch wrestlers were very good.
Then due to staged matches the real art was lost in the US.
Before it was lost Mitsuyo Maeda (Conde Koma) competed and trained extensively in catch wrestling. Maeda was the original teacher of the legendary Gracie family who eventually developed the modern fighting system of Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu.

It is hard to say one is better. Now there is submission wrestling and now it is about the best athletes not so much the system. I suppose if you want Gi grapplers then it is BJJ but No-Gi is even or maybe Catch is better. I don't think Catch puts as much emphasis on the guard which is good for no gi and especially for MMA.

Answer 3

Firstly, people who train in BJJ are going to defend their style and people that train in Catch will do the same, etc.

I call myself a submission wrestler because I study many grappling styles, even BJJ and Catch. We shouldnt compare two style like this, because it is pointless! Catch-as-catch-can has its features and so does BJJ. Even other styles like Sambo/Sombo, Judo, etc, have their features also.

I have learnt many things from brazilian jiu-jitsu, but I have also learnt many things from catch. However, trying to claim one system over another as "the best" is rather pointless considering there are nowhere near as many clubs/classes of catch wrestling than there is BJJ.

For me personally, catch wrestling has suited me and my style of submission wrestling very well, but I learn and adapt to anything I can get my hands on... NO MATTER WHAT STYLE IT IS!!

Since the BOOM of MMA, pretty much everything in Martial Arts has become rather mixed, or atleast taken on board what really works and what doesnt. So, no matter what discipine you are doing, you could be learning "a bit of this" and "a bit of that", no matter if it BJJ or Catch, etc.

Another thing to notice is that BJJ is more gi orientated but it does practice non-gi (the clubs I have been to dont though). Catch Wrestling is a no-gi system. I think you get what I mean here.

Many wrestlers/grapplers have done extremely well in the 20th Century. For catch wrestling you have farmer burns, and my personal favourite, Ad Santel. For Jujitsu, you have Mitsuya Meada (sp?) and even Helio Gracie. Lets also not forget the likes of Masahiko Kimura representing Judoka. Etc. All of these few individuals I have mentioned ARE GOOD AT WHAT THEY DO!!! Lets not bash one over another because of their prefered style!!


Lets stop comparing and claiming one style to be "the best", because their is no best. In the world of grappling, each style brings something of value to the table, lets leave it at that!!

Answer 4

My preference is BJJ. It's been effective (for the most part) for the Brazilian Top Team.

Answer 5

The *best* grappling style is probably Greco-Roman wrestling.. it's been around for thousands of years for a reason. Of course if you're talking self defense it isn't really worth a hoot, but oh well.

Answer 6

JV is starting to get on my nerves....i think he is trying to give off the vibe that he is a "know it all". SO....JV, to your "yawn" I give an even bigger YYYYYYYAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWNNN!!!!!!!!!!

To answer your question, I would say that both are very effective. However, where can you study and practice catch wrestling today (in the 21st century)?

Answer 7

Sakuraba vs the Gracies.

End of story.

Answer 8

YAWN!!


Sorry, I just get bored easily.

Questions seeking subjective answers do nothing for me.
You know, the ones that go "who would win in a fight....", "what is the best martial art....", "such and such vs. such and such", or name-calling.

Have you ever given someone's answer a thumbs down? Well then, consider it my way of giving a person's question a thumbs down, in a non-insulting way, since there is no other means by which to do it.