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All christians agree that the 39 books in the o.t. and 27 books in the n.t. to be inspired by GOD and completely accurate and consistent. True? All other religious texts constitute hearesy and are to be avoided. Also true? Then how do you account for the fact that Moses' account of the ten commandments in Exodus cannot possibly be true? According to moses he made two trips up the mountain to receive these commandments. The second set is NOT the same as the first set.The first set is listed in Exodus:20;1-17, and the second set is listed in Exodus 34:12-26. Since Moses claims in the story that they were the same and they're not, how can we believe him? By the way, Jesus corrects other mistakes Moses made in the apocryphon of John. One of the heretical books banned by the christian church. Everyone who chooses to believe Moses over Jesus is wrong.

2007-04-16 22:24:46 · 7 answers · asked by single eye 5 in Society & Culture Religion & Spirituality

Here's an even better reason to reject Moses writings. His god does not have any of the fruits of the Spirit.

2007-04-17 09:37:13 · update #1

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Yes you understand correctly.More over because it is an oxymoron defenders will point out how it is to be viewed differently and point away from the obvious.The bible has mistakes in it.Genesis Is a good one.Thought light and dark were created on the first day.The plants were created on the third day and the sun created on the fourth day.
Jesus came to divide men but was also supposed to destroy the enemy of the Jewish people.Jesus came here supposedly for all men.Yet the Israelites were the chosen ones.Jesus was prophesied to be king.Yet less I miss read it never said anything about being put to death.Someone please correct me if I am wrong.
I have had people say well it was written by man so there could be mistakes.I have also heard the well everyone has to interpret it for them self.Literals will argue misinterpretations.Point is if your looking for mistakes in the bible you can find them.If you aren't you will overlook them

2007-04-16 23:12:29 · answer #1 · answered by ddstantlerstill 4 · 0 2

The second set of commandments you list (Exodus 34:12-26) may perhaps be a misquote - I can find nothing to indicate that these are the commandmends Moses recieved from God written on stone tablets. You may perhaps have been thinking of Deuteronomy 5:6-21. A careful comparison between this passage and the one of Exodus 20 will show that every commandment is identical in essence, with slight differences in wording and the reasons given for the commandments. They are complimentary, not contradictory. The fact that Moses recieved the commandments twice might explain these very slight differences.

Perhaps you might want to think about the fact that Jesus constantly quoted from the Old Testament, including the Books of Moses (especially Deauteronomy) both in teaching the people and in disputing with the religious leaders of the day. There could have been no New Testament without the foundation of the Old.

2007-04-17 06:04:14 · answer #2 · answered by P H 1 · 0 0

1. Christians believe the Bible to be completely true and without error, but it is important to know the context and intent of specific parts of scripture. This is where disagreement takes place. Ex: is the Genesis creation account intended to be literal and historical, or to be poetic and metaphorical?
2. All other religious texts are not considered "hearesy" (heresy? or hearsay?). They are simply not considered to be the inspired word of God.
3. It appears to me that the story in Exodus 34:12-26 is a re-visitation of the events in and around 20:1-17. The passage lists some previously unlisted rules, and then notes that he (Moses, or perhaps God) wrote the 10 Commandments on the tablets. No apparent contradiction.
4. Although I am unfamiliar with the apocryphal book of John that you speak of, if it is truly Apocryphal, then a large portion of the church holds that it is not part of the inspired canon of God's word, and therefore not to be taken with the same value as the canonized Scripture. Jesus does expound on some of the Mosaic teachings in the New Testament, however. It is possible that Jesus was not contradicting Moses, but making an important theological observation. When Jesus says something like, "You have heard it said ____, but I tell you _______," it can be understood that He is not seeking to contradict the O.T. law, but rather He is making the observation that even if someone believes that they follow the law perfectly, they are still under the bondage of sin and therefore in need of salvation. While it may appear to be a blatant contradiction, it is actually an important message pointing to His place as redeemer of those who are in need of redemption.
Hope this helps.

2007-04-17 05:45:33 · answer #3 · answered by apologetickid 2 · 1 0

Exodus Chapter 20, verses 1 to 17 - is the giving or handling of God to Moses of the Ten Commandments of God while in Exodus 34, v erses 10 to 17 is warning against the worship of man-made God and from 18 to 28 is the law of God as promise by him to Moses.

In the New Testament, There are some commandments added by Jesus Christ, including warnings on worship and the law given to Moses by God because many of the laws given to Moses were address only to the Israel people but not to the whole people in earth.

Read those verses in the book of Moses which are only intended for the Israel people but the verses written in Jesus time for renewed to be addressed to all people on earth.
jtm

2007-04-17 05:53:17 · answer #4 · answered by Jesus M 7 · 0 0

Look, I'm not a christian but as far as I know Moses went up the mountain to get the commandments. He stayed away for 40 days (or something like that) and in the meantime his people started worshiping other gods (they were easy in those days). He came back, got angry, smashing the tablets (from god, yes) and set things right. God and Moses did some pretty terrible things to his people, and then he went back and got some new tablets.

2007-04-17 05:50:32 · answer #5 · answered by Anonymous · 0 1

You seem to believe Moses was not under the inspiration of God -- the God of Abraham, Isaac ans Jacob -- therefore is not worth bothering with. Yet Jesus quoted the Law as given to Moses, and indeed was the One who gave the Law to Moses. your misunderstanding is to assume that Moses would re-commit to parchment/scroll what God had re-committed to the stone, but why would Moses do that? He reiterates that God did so, then continues to give the other instructions that made up the whole Mosaic Law.
When Moses does restate the Ten Commandments, he then explains more fully how they are to be put into practise (Deuteronomy5:1-22). Read all Deuteronomy for a good recap of the Israelites life to that point, and for a better understanding of the biblical overview of Moses' ministry.
By the way, it isn't a question BELIEVING Moses over Jesus, or vice versa, but recognising the Bible, all 66 canonical books are inspired by God, and committed to writing by His spokespeople. What happened with the New Testament (i.e. Covenant) is Jesus FULFILLED the Law, and willingly allowed Himself to be executed in order to take away the sin of the world, and specially (i.e. specifically) those who accept His free gift of forgiveness and peace with God: the ONLY way anyone can be saved (Jn 3:16-18; Jn 14:6; Acts 4:12 et al).
Isaiah 52:13-53:12 gives the role of Jesus as the Suffering Servant, Daniel 9 reveals Messiah and Suffering Servant are killed (as they're one and the same); Psalm 22 describes graphically the agonies of a crucified person (written centuries before crucifixion was the form of death for convicted criminals in Israel); and Zechariah 12 gives a picture of when the jewish remnant realise who Jesus is, turn to Him for their salvation, and then He comes back: verse 10 states "they shall look on Me whom they pierced [i.e. pierced to death, referring not to hands and feet but His pierced side] and mourn for Him, as they mourn for an only son".
Indeed, the greatest evidence of the Bible's supernatural origin is the fulfilled prophecies running from Israel's existence as one man, through to the modern reformation of Israel today, hated by most of the world, yet miraculously preserved, as God said they would be, as a distinct race.
PS Thanks to "Eye Loves Jesus" for sending these questions to me, as I cannot find Religion and Spirituality on my contents list. God bless you, lady.
Edit: with the latest input from the questioner, about Moses not having "the Spirit of God", you appear to disbelieve Jesus' own words. I hope you're not a Jew-hater, for they will be saved (see Romans chapters 9-11).

2007-04-17 09:35:40 · answer #6 · answered by Already Saved 4 · 0 0

I believe that there is some misunderstanding on your part..as well as most of todays christianity. The first reference you gave is of Gods Ten Commandments..the ones he wrote with His finger.
The next reference you have given is that of Moses Law....both are very different..and Moses Law pointed to Jesus and was done away with at the cross.
Moses Law 10 Commandments
Called "the law of Moses" LUKE 2:22 And when the days of her purification according to the law of Moses were accomplished, they brought him to Jerusalem, to present him to the Lord.
Called "the Law of the Lord" ISA. 5:24 Therefore as the fire devoureth the stubble, and the flame consumeth the chaff, so their root shall be as rottenness, and their blossom shall go up as dust: because they have cast away the law of the LORD of hosts, and despised the word of the Holy One of Israel.
Called "Law contained in ordinances" EPH. 2:15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace. Called "the Royal law" JAMES 2:8 If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:
Written by Moses in a book 2 CHRON. 35:12 And they removed the burnt offerings, that they might give according to the divisions of the families of the people, to offer unto the LORD, as it is written in the book of Moses. And so did they with the oxen. Written by God on stone EXO. 31:18 And he gave unto Moses, when he had made an end of communing with him upon mount Sinai, two tables of testimony, tables of stone, written with the finger of God. EXO. 32:16 And the tables were the work of God, and the writing was the writing of God, graven upon the tables.
Placed in the side of the ark DEUT. 31:26 Take this book of the law, and put it in the side of the ark of the covenant of the LORD your God, that it may be there for a witness against thee. Placed inside the ark EXO. 40:20 And he took and put the testimony into the ark, and set the staves on the ark, and put the mercy seat above upon the ark:
Ended at the cross EPH. 2:15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace. Will stand forever LUKE 16:17 And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the law to fail.

Added because of sin GAL. 3:19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
Points out sin ROM. 7:7 What shall we say then? is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
ROM. 3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

Contrary to us, against us COL. 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross.
Not grevious 1 JOHN 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

Judges no man COL. 2:14-16 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it. Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: Judges all men JAM. 2:10-12 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law. So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.

Carnal HEB. 7:16 Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life. Spiritual ROM. 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.

Made nothing perfect HEB. 7:19 For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God. Perfect PSALMS 19:7 The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple.

There is one text referring to Moses Law then one referring to the Ten commandments.

2007-04-17 05:43:12 · answer #7 · answered by Anonymous · 2 0

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