Would "Expert Dog Breeders" who are selling pup's hand over fist, pups at four figures ever concede??

Question

that; their worst pet pup is capable of producing the finest get ever produced in the breed? That best to best will produce both the top of the gene bank and the bottom specimen,but there is no guarantee!! You are simply increasing the good traits but the flaws are not simply vanishing, they will show up.After years of line breeding, a pet pup is just as able to throw a genetically sound litter as his best littermate!So is that why hands down are given? To discourage the truth being exposed? Am I wrong or does it seem Whenever an answer hits close to the pocketbook; you receive quite a few "thumbs down" Do you suppose these "ethical puppy hawkers" dont want those "who know", by years of experiance--what a pups value is and why it holds this value-- to make any of their future market skeptical or suspicious about the pricing and contracts?? Skeptical enough to seek out reputable yet REASONABLY priced kennels or home breeders??

Answer 1

Honey I think you need to learn a little practical experience and some textbook genetics too! Yes in a few cases a single trait (say improper coat) can render a dog a pet pup and can be breed out in a single generation but its rare. Usually, if one is breeding in a quality scale of A to Z , a B female to an A male the offspring will indeed be a range but from A to K. breed that K female and you will maybe get a range of C to N. But an A? Better odds of winning the powerball. This can apply to things more important to the pet owner than type, like hips and temperment.
I have seen a few poor temperaments bred for various reasons - the result was worse! even if the mate was good temperament the pups were fruitcakes!

Answer 2

I will pay that experienced proven breeder the top dollar anyday. I will more than save it back in vet bills down the road. My "breed" is standard poodles. they have some pretty serious health issues that can crop up due to genetics and poor breeding. I would rather buy that EXPENSIVE puppy that has genetically tested parents that also have CERF certificates for eye and OFA hip films and readings done. I want sound structure, not necessarily show structure, and i want temparament and health to be the key factors.

It is expensive to have genetic testing done on breeding dogs, showing dogs aint cheap either. very few show folks who breed make money at it. At best the few puppies they sell helps to pay for show fees, grooming, feed, and shots etc etc..... I also wouldnt buy a puppy from a breeder who bred before the dog was 2 or over 5, and had more than 3 litters. or was bred every heat cycle.

yes, some back yard hobby breeders do have some nice pet quality pups. but an awful lot of them know very little about thier breed, dont do testing etc etc. most of them also dont do early neuroligical stimulation on the pups, or even know what that is.

you get what you pay for...... now what kills me is the high price people are paying for designer dogs..... what a joke.

Candice

Answer 3

Are you trying to say that Backyard Breeders are just as good as Ethical breeders? Sounds like it hits a little close to home for you.

No, a BYB will NEVER be as good as an ethical breeder. Breeding for ANY other reason than to improve the breed or to create the perfect dog (working or showing) is unethical. The world does not need more pet quality dogs.

Most BYBs are not breeding to make show dogs. They are breeding to make pets.

As far as genetics, you obviously don't understand. If both parents have a flaw like Hip Dysplasia, the chances are MUCH higher that the pups will have it. If 3-5 generations are cleared (a GOOD breeder will ensure this), then the chances are minimal that the pups will have this. The chances of a show quality dog having a sound litter is MUCH higher than a pet quality dog loaded with genetic defects all the way down the line.

BYBs always make excuses for not being ethical and not followng the rules. Stuff like "hits close to the pocketbook" and other false rhetoric. Good breeders aren't scared of being hit in their pocketbook, lol. Good breeders rarely make their money back. What they ARE scared of is the 4 million animals being killed in shelters because of BYBs and puppy mills, the genetic diseases are are passed on because of BYBs and puppy mills, and the poor treatment of the animals linked to BYBs and puppy mills.

Rather than attack good breeders, why not learn why BYBs are so bad? There is NO excuse for being a BYB.

Answer 4

If you are looking to buy a dog, go to your humane society and pick up a mutt. The word "mutt" might sound bad to people, but in reality, mutts are healthier then pure breeds. Less chance of having hip displisia, incest, (which can cause birth defects and other problems) and other reasons. Also, you get unique, and most likely no one will have a dog like yours. Lots of choices, from size, color, personality, fuzzy, furry, or short hair. Also, its WAY cheaper. Usually to adopt a puppy from your animal shelter will run 100 dollars. But that includes, spay/neuter, shots, microchip, and the first one or two vet visits. All those would of cost well over 150 to 200 bucks. So basically you are given 50 dollars, (well, on paper). And on top of those factors, you save a dog/puppy that might of been put down. You would also be helping out your area with over population of stray dogs. BEST OF LUCK!

Answer 5

Dog prices have been dropping and they are going to continue to fall.
Home breeders are both the experienced and the inexperienced, both the show and the non show.
Neither group has a license to breed. Anyone who says that they do does not know what they are talking about.
Registered kennels that do boarding have a license, large breeding kennels that are USDA have a license. USDA kennels do not show in AKC events. If there are 1% of show dogs in AKC events from USDA kennels that would be a lot.
Limited registrations are not used because the show breeder is licensed and the buyer is not licensed. Plus any limited AKC registration can be brought to another registry and made full in that registry, it is only limited with AKC.
Right now California is about to pass a bill that will make all home breeding illegal PERIOD. Within 10 years the only place a Californian will be able to get a dog is through a pet store (which has to be USDA commercially bred as per the Animal Welfare Act), driving away from California, or an imported stray shelter dog from Mexico. Basically that entire state will have only spayed and neutered dogs because NO DOG CAN BE SHOWN BEFORE 6 MONTHS OF AGE. Hence if it is spayed or neutered at 4 months of age it can never have puppies. Show and home breeders do not have licenses and NO TOWNSHIP IS GOING TO GIVE A LICENSE IN A RESIDENCE.

As far as money, not all breeders are so expensive but it is also a supply and demand thing. People want a home bred dog, many from a show breeder that will look like they expect it to when grown. But show breeders have been limiting registrations because the Animal Rights movement says there is an overpopulation (meanwhile the Animal Rights people import strays from Mexico). So if 20 people ask for 5 puppies the price goes up supply and demand, very simple. If a home breeder was worried about finding a home for a puppy before it grew into a dog the price would go down. Anyway right now the price is going down because government is going to make it illegal to breed at home. So all the sudden not as many people want to buy a dog.

As far as the best to the best, yes a sibling of the better dog can throw nice puppies, even just as nice as the better sibling. But the better sibling will throw better puppies more frequently or at a better ratio. Either one should have the right to exist!

Answer 6

First I never considered my self as an expert anything. I bred my Golden's to keep the breed safe and to keep it strong. I never had enough pups to sell them hand over fist. thats what Puppy mill do. I also never distinguished pet quality over show quality because I was never interested in doing that. I knew of coerce which was which but to the people and families I sold my pups to I never said what I thought about each pup because it was not going to stay with me. I was more concerned with the pups health and the temperament of the pups I produced. Breeding dogs is not a money making business, at least it was not for me, nor is it for any other good breeder of dogs of any breed. The costs of breeding are very high. I was happy if I broke even which only happened a few times. I worked very had and very long with and for the dogs I bred.
I don't know who you are talking about because the breeders I have met here in this forum are just as responsible as I was and are breeding their dogs for all the right reasons.
THE BETTERMENT OF THE BREED and the LOVE for the breed they have chosen.
Making Money is not in their vocabulary, there is no profit in breeding.
I'm ripping mad here!!!

Answer 7

Sounds like someone refused to sell you a pet quality puppy without a spay/neuter contract and limited registration.

Let me give you a different point of view.
How would you like it if someone started flooding the market with substandard puppy's using YOUR kennel name???

If you knew anything about genetics, you would know that when breeding in a specific trait only one out of four puppy's will posses the trait, and only two of the other three will carry that trait as a recessive (with no way to tell which two they are)

Answer 8

Expert breeders have spay/neuter contracts for the puppies they don't think live up to show standards. That way the puppies that don't get the traits they were breeding for aren't kept in the gene pool.

Answer 9

I am quite confused. You would need to reword everything for me to even come close to understanding what you're trying to say. Is english you first laguage?

Answer 10

http://www.prisonersofgreed.org

I have no clue what you're taking about, but this is a good site.