the desciples that were still alive came together a sort of made a decision.
2007-04-16 07:55:09 · 12 answers · asked by amos 3 in Society & Culture ➔ Religion & Spirituality
William H McNeill , a world history , which is as totally unbiased read as i`ve ever read, I repeat Unbiased.
2007-04-16 08:01:16 · update #1
no it was nefinetely his deciples, and quite a while I mean dead and gone not 300 years
2007-04-16 08:37:54 · update #2
That is right.
It should strike Christians as odd that they didn't recognize Jesus after his Resurrection either. How could you not recognize someone who you just spend the last 3 years with? The disciples were walking for hours and didn't recognize the man as Jesus until he 'revealed' himself.
I think it is more likely that they ran across a traveler who heard about their story and then decided to play along because there was benefit in it for him. Not recognizing Jesus is unrealistic.
2007-04-16 08:00:39 · answer #1 · answered by ɹɐǝɟsuɐs Blessed Cheese Maker 7 · 1⤊ 3⤋
It wasn't until the 4th century when Constantine declared Christianity to be the official religion. At that time they agreed which writings were to be included in the Christian Bible and discarded all the rest. There was a major division between those who thought Jesus was God incarnate and those who thought he was only a prophet. The Nicene creed is the result and from that time, Jews and other heretics were persecuted for not believing that Jesus was actually God himself!
Being the messiah is not the problem. Many, many Jews have claimed to be the messiah and have had many followers, but when they died without having brought peace on earth (the only goal of the messiah) they realized they had followed a false messiah. The messiah will be a great (human) leader who will bring peace on earth. Do we have peace on earth? No peace, no messiah!
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2007-04-16 08:33:42 · answer #2 · answered by Hatikvah 7 · 0⤊ 0⤋
I believe that you are referring to the Council of Nicene, which meet in the early 300AD at the time of Emperor Constantine.
If you go back and check your history book, you may find something you missed in the first reading. Until that time, Christianity was a "banned" religion, and anyone caught practicing it was executed. So it was very difficult to have any kind of an official "council" or "meeting" to official sanction the the beliefs of the church before that time.
When the Council was held, they went back to the writings of the first disciples to find out what they taught and believed. They begin with the earliest of the Christian writings, the letters of Paul. In his writings, he refers to Jesus as the Messiah 338 times. (You are aware that the word "Christ" is the Greek form of the word "Messiah").
From there, it was the gospel, which include 60 references to Jesus as the Messiah, including four times by Jesus himself.
Add in the Acts, the general epistles, and the book of Revelation, and you get another 105 times that Jesus is called the Messiah by the writings of his disciples.
So it was a "no brainer" for the Council of Nicene to offical vote that the New Testament teaches that Jesus was the Messiah. They were simply "official" approving what had already been church doctrine for hundreds of years before that.
2007-04-16 08:18:44 · answer #3 · answered by dewcoons 7 · 0⤊ 0⤋
If you're referring to the First Council of Nicaea, you're correct. It wasn't his disciples though, as the council took place in 325 CE. One of the major issues discussed was whether Jesus was the same as, or simply similar to God.
As a matter of fact there were a number of contenders for the title of Messiah at, and before, the time of Jesus. They all had claims of a virgin birth... etc.
The Christians above that don't know this should really spend some time reading.
2007-04-16 08:11:36 · answer #4 · answered by Anthony Stark 5 · 1⤊ 0⤋
The problem with your acertion is that Jesus was a real person, was recorded in Roman history as having performed miracles, and the gospels were written years after the fact.
2007-04-16 08:03:57 · answer #5 · answered by Curtis B 6 · 1⤊ 2⤋
The Messiah was prophesied hundreds of years before He came to this economy!! God told us what He was going to do in the Old Testament, and He did it in the New Testament!! He didn't pull any punches, He did exactly what He said that He was going to do!!! Read the Prophets in the Old Testament, it's all there.
2007-04-16 08:01:34 · answer #6 · answered by michael m 5 · 1⤊ 2⤋
Have you read your bible? Studied the chronology? Prophecy after prophecy pointed to Jesus as the Messiah and the timing of his arrival. Are you aware that his annointing as the Messiah took place at his baptism, when a dove descended from heaven and God's own voice... one of only 3 times I think where we hear it directly... says "this is my son, the beloved, whom I have approved."
If they didn't believe Jesus was the Messiah until after they voted him in, why follow him in the first place. He was clearly their leader. Peter flat out told him he was "the son of the living God" when Jesus asked him who he believed he was.
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THOMAS: Many things were acknowledged/accepted by the Council of Nicea. The fact that they might have voted to ACKNOWLEDGE Jesus as the Messiah does not mean that he wasn't such until they deigned to designate him as such. He received the annointing of God's Holy Spirit long before the Nicean Council. He performed his amazing miracles by means of holy spirit long before the Nicean Council.
Messiah means SENT ONE. The fact is that Jesus' designation as the Messiah came from the only one that mattered... the One who sent him.
2007-04-16 08:04:15 · answer #7 · answered by Q&A Queen 7 · 2⤊ 2⤋
Come on...at least do some research before making a statement like that. Where did you get this garbage?
This is not at all true.
This is a silly little weak argument that I ususally hear from muslims. Do some more research...one book's/man's views isn't considered research.
2007-04-16 07:59:42 · answer #8 · answered by Mark 3 · 1⤊ 2⤋
Jesus openly declared Himself as the messiah a number of times.
The votes of men do not make something true or not true - something is true simply because it IS.
2007-04-16 08:01:26 · answer #9 · answered by daisyk 6 · 1⤊ 2⤋
i really think jesus had VERY little.. if anything... to do with these religions... i think they only thing jesus wanted to do was change things...
i do not think he was the son of god.. or anything divine... i think he was a great man with even better ideas.
heck these religions werent even made until after his death... he didnt write not ONE WORD in the bible.. you would think that if he wanted a religion dont you think he would have taken the time to write his own bible?
2007-04-16 07:59:12 · answer #10 · answered by Loathing 6 · 3⤊ 1⤋