If there is no medical disease present, and none that can be proven?

Question

do you think that one should keep saying that there is? Can you answer these:

1. Evidence That Establishes the validity of "schizophrenia" "depression" or other "major mental Illnesses" as biologically-based brain diseases.

2. Evidence For A Physical Diagnostic Exam such as a scan or test of the brain, blood, urine, genes, etc that can distinguish individuals with these diagnoses (prior to treatment with psychiatric drugs), from individuals without these diagnoses.

3. Evidence For a Base-line Standard of a neurochemically balanced "normal" personality, against which an "imbalance" can be measured and corrected by pharmaceutical means.

4. Evidence That Any Psychotropic Drug can correct a "chemical imbalance" attributed to a psychiatric diagnoses, and is any thing more than a non-specific alterer of physiology.

5. Evidence That Any Psychotropic Drug can decrease violence or suicide.

6. Evidence That Psychotropic Drugs do not in fact increase violence or suicide?

"You've clearly never met a person suffering from schizophrenia or major depression. I have. You need to meet some of these people, and then form an opinion. I'm a doctor."

You clearly need to answer these questions and site your sources, and I will have my professional team look at them, I am not a doctor, but I have so many people that I know and have met that have been labeled like this and what you say is not true so what kind of a doctor does this make you? You are wrong in what you do, all people have some problems, but even psychiatrist have come out against what is going on and you know it, if you can answer these questions with more then I am a doctor then answer them on here and site your sources otherwise you need to not answer this. Thanks.

At least please do not expect people to fall for this just because you say that you are a doctor. I know the truth and some of them don't, and this is unethical of you.

"There are many diagnostic tools...The most important tool is the doctor's brain," this is kind of true, so find out the truth get the answer to those questions. You can't.

"Every medical test has limits. None is perfect" this is not exactly true some are more reliable and valid then others. If you need to cut my toenail off I don't want you to cut my toe off do I? Is it my heart or lungs or liver?

"I would gather information from a variety of sources, including second and third opinions," yes, I am sure that you would, but if you don't have that right then what? "It's your body," that is true and that is why this is important.

"You also have the obligation not to expect the government to pick up the tab." Who do you think is over mental health? Have you ever been poor and needed good health care? "You have the obligation to be truthful," so do you!

The government owes it to the public to tell the truth and so do doctors and have no right to use coercion and force!

"You seem a little paranoid. What is your point? And start with this: DEFINE 'medical disease'." Your actually being silly trying to avoid the truth of what I am saying here. Your thing may say that you are a doc that is hard for me to believe, answer these questions and then I will answer anything that you want me too, that is fair! I have lots of people watching this you all are aware of this right?

Hey QW this was a long answer, but not right for this question.

These medical people can't answer these questions, they have been asked repeatedly and they know it. If the APA, the Gov., and NAMI can't answer these questions then no one here can either as far as I know.

Some so say doctors treat people like they are guinna pigs, they do it all the time, like they are no more educated then you. They test theories out on animals and then say it is relative to us human beings and sometimes it is and sometimes not. Then they do small studies and have them published and argue with each other about who is right and the world thinks that they have the answers when they don't.

They have to stop the misperceptions. Our system is in need of overhaul and someone must hold the medical people accountable for telling the truth and answering the important questions like these that I have posted here several times. Otherwise some people are being misled, perhaps like you?

Reify you are so right and the thing is they are just labeling or calling names when they do this for purposes of insurance companies needing to be billed. After all someone must get paid.

The question you asked I think is, what is normal and what do we actually now mean by crazy or insane? Those are good questions. What do we mean?

What does it all mean besides another way of calling people names and using coercion and force of the courts to make people do what one wants them to do or control others, or take a mind altering addictive pill for which no one really knows how it will affect anyone else.

I do think that sometimes all of us, even the good "doctors", have problems they may need some kind of assistance with (psychiatrist committ suicide many times),

Asking for assistance now though is even different in meaning then it started out to be isn't it? If it isn't really the help that one is asking for or needs, it really isn't help at all is it?

Answer 1

You've clearly never met a person suffering from schizophrenia or major depression.

I have.

You need to meet some of these people, and then form an opinion.

Answer 2

1. No. There is no valid, conclusive proof that suggests "schizophrenia", "depression" or any other "major mental illness" is a biologically-based brain disease.

The U.S. Surgeon General’s Report on Mental Health states: “The precise causes (etiology) of mental disorders are not known."

2. No. There is no valid test that can distinguish individuals with "diagnoses" or those without.

Again, the U.S. Surgeon General’s Report on Mental Health states: "There is no definitive lesion, laboratory test, or abnormality in brain tissue that can identify [a mental] illness.”

3. No. There is no valid evidence to show the existence of a "chemical imbalance" in the brain, let alone to support the use of a psychiatric drug to supposedly "correct it".

"Chemical imbalance…it’s a shorthand term really, it’s probably drug industry derived… We don’t have tests because to do it, you’d probably have to take a chunk of brain out of someone - not a good idea." Dr. Mark Graff, Chair of the Committee of Public Affairs for the American Psychiatric Association. July, 2005.

4. No. Psychiatric drugs act in exactly the same way recreational drugs do - by changing the normal chemical operation of the brain to produce a temporary altered effect. Any claim that a psychiatric drug is "correcting" some sort of "chemical imbalance" is fraudulent. These "illnesses" are not medical diseases, and these drugs are not "medicines".

"Let me clear this up right now. ADHD is not like diabetes and Ritalin is not like insulin. Diabetes is a real medical condition that can be objectively diagnosed. ADHD is an invented label with no objective, valid means of identification. Insulin is a natural hormone produced by the body and it is essential for life. Ritalin is a chemically derived amphetamine-like drug that is not necessary for life. Diabetes is an insulin deficiency. Attention and behavioral problems are not a Ritalin deficiency." Mary Ann Block, M.D.

5. No.

6. Yes. Dr. Andrew Mosholder, an expert with America's Food and Drug Administration, reviewed 24 studies involving 4,582 patients taking one of nine different antidepressants. They showed that the drugs nearly doubled the risk of suicide among children and young adults. The FDA barred him from publishing his findings at the time, but they were leaked to the press in 2004. In 2006, Mosholder's study was published (Hammad TA, Laughren T, Judith Racoosin J. Suicidality in Pediatric Patients Treated With Antidepressant Drugs. Arch Gen Psychiatry 2006; 63: 332 - 339).

There have been numerous studies since, all showing the same trends, which has lead a variety of regulatory bodies across the globe to implement strict guidelines and major warnings on the link between psychiatric drug use and increased aggression, violent thought and suicidal ideation.

Answer 3

this question has many aspects included in it,and the sole diagnosis of a psychiatric illness (by the way has many terms) is mostly a mixture of behaviour and clinically,there isnt any test that u can do to prove for example someone has paronia or a delusion,its more of his words and behaviour,its a relative thing.people walk in the street u see them and meet them daily,but in a certain moment of time they could speak to u and start telling u somethings u dont see as normal,even the definition of normal is relative to every community and society and place,schizophrenia ia group of symptoms and complains,delusions is fixed ,and thoughts and ideas r not clear,insight might be there,he knows something is wrong and wants it fixed,and insight might be absent,.the whole drugs available sorry to say this r suppressors,tranquilizers to the meaning of the word,studies have gone on within twins,and many other aspects,honestly i couldnt say that any psychiatric illness has a definitve tool of diagnosis except the words u get and the behaviour of the patient...everyone is insane in some form even me and u,but what is sanity???

Answer 4

sk,,,,,,,,,this is a challenge to doctors everywhere,,,,,,,,,,,with the frank psychosis shown by residents of state hospitals,the treatment prevailing is to givem antidepressants,getem compliant,dopey,hangdog,haggard,but a bit mobile,able to vocalise,talk a bit and nothing else,try putting them on a mineral water and no food fast for 11 hours,iv calcium carbonate (this is chalk,,,oft has a calming effect on pt) ,liver profile(previous to antifungal medication)take bp once an hour,pulse ,note skin color.examine pt for dermatologic conditions,q pt ,if possible for family health history,,,,get med chats from prev doctors to rule out or incorporate cancer,diabetes,motor neuron disease,asthma,ulcers,orthopoedic problems,,after 11 hrs,,,a couple or a few perk up because chemical,toxins or offending foods affecting mentation have been partially eliminated from the body,a couple out of 10 ,maybe a few out of 20 pts perk up......more normally conversant and chatty,oriented as to time and place (some aaem docs use both techniques,anti depressants and serial chemical food challenges and attentuation,(reduction)....the pt gets food allergy tests using a few cc of full strength food and chem injections to elicit a welt ,or positive or negative skin response.pts pulse,bp skin color,breathing rate are monitored for anaphalactyc reactions .the diet of the pt is determined by every positive response to food or chem involved ,and then either eliminated(chems) or rotated (same protein carb,or beverage not consumed for 3 days)judgement as to remove or reduce med antipsychotics is drs decision,based on pts response to techniques above,,,,,,have seen postings by 16 year olds about psych intake evaluation,,,,,,,med side effects,,,they are conversant on all the tried true ,and ineffective treatments for mental illness,,,like to have a nickel for every pt in nys mental health hospital who has normal bloodwork who gets antidepressive meds nevertheless,but a lot of small immune disorders like psoriasis,excema ,nail fungus,asthma,all of which are treated allopathically.80 percent of schizophrenia pts have multiple food & chem allergies and it makes sense to ATTEMPT to treat this lifetaking illness as an immunological disorder,,,,,how about 5 docs from mainstream and 5 docs from american academy of environmental medicine compete for healthcare dollars by treating 100 patients with one technique and 100 with the other,,,,,,,,,may the losing group be banished to the ross ice shelf,,,tho i fear for the continued health of the penguins there,,,,,,they're havin problems too,,,dont think the losing team would be up to the task,,,,,,,better just hang around and watch the scenery,,,,,,,good luck super k,this was a long one

Answer 5

You seem a little paranoid. What is your point? And start with this: DEFINE 'medical disease'.