Muslims, does Allah agree with the prophet Isaiah?

Question

Isaiah 53 tells us that the Messiah would atone for sin, The DSS has the book of Isaiah intact dating back 2000 years before the Qu'ran. In Luke 22:37 For I say unto you, that this that is written must yet be accomplished in me, And he was reckoned among the transgressors: for the things concerning me have an end.
Jesus refers to Isaiah 53 and says it must be fufilled in him.
Jesus was in agreement with the prophesies of the prophet Isaiah, 600 years later Muhammad says Jesus denies that he is the Savior but claims Allah is in agreement with the prophets and the book is the word of Allah...how can this be true? Did Allah not know of the prophesies of isaiah and that Jesus was in agreement with them and he said he agreed with them? and yet says Jesus is not the Savior...Can any Muslim makes sense of these things?

Azreal!!! It's a simple question you are not even required to answer much less am I forcing my religion down your throat, God Bless You,.

Little the DSS is the Dead Sea Scrolls.

Lost and found thanks for your answer..If God is righteous and fair as you say then would not all men be condemend for falling short of his glory? considering that God wishs to remain righteous he could not overlook sin could he?

Jedi ineresting philisophy but the books of Moses show God's plan of salvation. Genesis shows that man was created in the image of God,The Trinity as man was more than flesh he was created flesh and the spirit was breathed into him and they became a living soul. The Garden of Eden demonstrates that man did fall from the glory of God through the tree of knowledge of good and evil (God's righteousness the law) and was to be brought back through the tree of life (God's mercy, Jesus Christ) Abraham was given prophsy of the coming of the lamb of God who would atone for sin through the sacrifice he was told to make of Issac. Abraham named the place Jehova Jirah which means the lord will provide. Because it is where he said the lord would provide himself a lamb. These are all ina greement wiht the teachings of all the prophets and our lord Jesus Christ.

Azrael grumpy as you may be. The Qu'ran does teach that Allah is in agreement with God's prophets and the Book is his word and his word can not be changed. In fact if muhammad was not in agreement with God's prophets or his word Muhammad could only be a false prophet.

The Last as a Muslim you surely must agree that Jesus is the Christ as your Qu'ran teachs this therfore you must be in agreement that the Jew's did not recognize their Messiah as he was foretold by their scriptures and as such Christians did recognize Christ as the Messiah it is the only disagreement between Jew's and Christians.
The fact that the Jew's did not recieve Christ makes the Christians a cult?
then when Allah agrees that Christ is the Messiah does this also make the Muslims a cult? All three religions claim the God of Abraham...Jews and Chrisitans worship this same God Muslims have changed the God of Abrham and do not agree with the Books of God against the teachings of their Qu'ran which does claim the Torah, and bible as the Holy word of God and allh himself says in the Qu'ran that his word can not be changed. You have yourself a contradiction.

Lost...Your are absolutely correct that is exactly what i mean by falling short of God's glory. The Jews who definitely did follow the God of Abraham do still await the coming of THE Messiah as they did not accept Christ as THE Messiah though very oviously there is only one Messiah. The BIble refers to one Messiah if your ead your Qu'ran correctly it also refers to Christ as THE Messiah which leaves absolutely no room for all prophets to be Messiahs....In your Qu'ran read where it says the Jew's said we have killed THE Messiah not a Messiah, The qu;ran recognized Christ as THE Messiah and does not refer to all prophets as Messiahs thisfalse doctrine is spread by Muslim scholars whoa re attempting to prove the Gospel of Barnabas which is a proven fraud in so many differn't ways.

Answer 1

HELLO MUSLIMS SAY THEY BELIEVE THE PROPHETS INCLUDING ISAIAH -BUT THEY THROW OUT EVERYTHING HE SAID -ABOUT JESUS TO BE GOD WITH US -AND SAY THE BIBLE IS TAMPERED WITH-YET IF IT WAS THIS IS THE FIRST CHAPTER JEWISH PEOPLE WOULD THROW OUT -BECAUSE IT POINTS TO THE BLOOD ATONEMENT FOR SINS.

THE BIBLE STANDS AND EVERY OTHER BOOK FALLS-SALVATION IN JESUS IS THE KEY TO IT ALL

Answer 2

The Quran presumes that the prior Scriptures existed in a natural type for the duration of Muhammad’s time The Quran neither states that the Torah used to be corrupted earlier than the time of Muhammad, nor does it include any caution or prophecy that any such corruption could occur sooner or later. It assumes and endorses the authority of the Torah with none reservations. Quranic Passages Substantiating the Presence and Worth of the Bible If the Arabs doubt Muhammad's message, they're to attraction to the People of the Book. (6:20,21) If Muhammad is unsure, he's to attraction to the readers of prior Scriptures (10:ninety five; 6:one hundred fifteen), to not "the People of the Abrogated Scriptures" or "the People of the Corrupted Scriptures" or "the People of the Ascended Scriptures". The Scriptures of the Jews and Christians are for all mankind. All are to feel in those Scriptures. (three:three,four,187; two:136 Muhammad - the one witness to the Qur'an and by way of that advantage of Islam - does no longer qualify biblically as a prophet, exceptionally considering his message differs essentially from our Scripture which used to be found out to many prophets over a interval of 1400 years. There is not any different appropriate evidenced intent through which Muhammad might be categorized as safe, above the biblical writers whom he contradicts. If Muhammad used to be no longer a prophet of Jahweh Elohim, his booklet - the qur'an - isn't the phrase of God.

Answer 3

First of all you are reading into the text. Second of all the text has been proven to have many inconsistencies and contradicitons. There was a man named marshall applewhite who convinced many college educated chrisitians that Jesus and the angels would come on a spaceship with haley's comet. He did this by reading into the bible whatever he wanted. If you are claiming to get your scriptures from Jews and then the Jews don't believe what you believe then you have made a new cult. The fact is- no Jew ever understood for the thousands of years they were blessed with Prophets, sccripture and scholarship that the messiah was to be God or divine incarnation, that God is a trinity, that the Messiah will coem to die for our sins. These are your core beleifs and these are rejecting by Jews. Therefore you have no right to trace your roots through thier tradition any more than we do.

Answer 4

Theres an inherent understanding of fairness in Islam.

This fairness is a promise from God, that no one pays for my sins, and I pay for no ones sins. And no one gets the blessings of a good deed someone else has done and vice versa.

Without this inherent understanding, fairness has no meaning.

and God is the most fair of all.

I do believe, that prophets and saints can pray to God, to erase your sins.

God has given prophets and his messengers the right to pray for those they love and preached for. In the event that Jesus or Moses or Noah prayed for their people, God would accept their prayers.

I think this is what is meant by atonement of sins. But this isnt the same thing as literally paying for those sins. Because that would be against the understanding of fairness.

Edit: I do not understand what you mean by falling short of glory. In Islam, God is the only perfect being, and that makes man, a being who has the potential to err. God created us with such a potential knowingly. Is that what you mean by falling short of glory?

Jesus Christ is called a Messiah in the Quran because Messiah means Prophet or Annoited one. The Quran protects this label because he was born of a virgin mother and even without a father he is still a Prophet. Jews also used the word messiah to mean Prophet or chosen one of God.

Answer 5

For God sakes how would YOU like it if I force my religious view on yours?

To us Muslims, Jesus was only a prophet. But did I shove that down your throat? No. This is our belief, alright?



Edit: ....Fine, I'm sorry. I am a little grumpy. Harumph.

Anyways, to us Muslims, the Bible is incomplete, and it had been completed by men. So, it's invalid to us. We do not believe in the Bible, do not believe in the prophecies in it, so to us Jesus wasn't saviour, only a prophet.

Answer 6

i think a true and orthodox muslim will not agree with prophet isaiah because it never stated in the Quran

Answer 7

Someone tell me what the DSS is. I am a Christian but I have no idea what that means

Answer 8

The Articles of Faith in which one "True in Faith" (a moslem) must believe:-

1. God
2. His Angels
3. His Messengers
4. His revealed Books
5. The Day of Resurrection
6. Divine Preordainments (Prophecy)
i.e. whatever God has ordained must come to pass.


JAH - Muad'Dib

The PROOF that the True Bible still
exists is in the Koran:-




Sura 32:23. We did indeed aforetime give the Book (Torah) to Moses: be then NOT IN DOUBT of its (The Torah) reaching (THEE): and We made it a Guide to the Children of Israel.

Sura 10:94. If thou wert in doubt as to what We have revealed unto thee, then ask those who have been reading the Book from before thee (the Bible): the Truth hath indeed come to thee from thy Lord: so be in no way one of those in doubt.
10:95. Nor be of those who reject the Signs of "I AM" (the Bible), or thou shalt be of those who perish.

15:9. We have, without doubt, sent down the Message (to all of the Messengers); and We will assuredly guard it (from corruption). (By showing how to correct it).

Idris/Enoch 102:7 Now will I point out a mystery (Revelation 17:5): Many sinners shall turn and transgress against The Word of Uprightness (Isaiah 33:15; 2 Thessalonians 2:7-12; Sura 32:23).
THE INCORRECT WRITING OF GOD'S WORDS PROPHESIED:-
102:8 They shall speak evil things; they shall utter falsehood; create a great creation (false religions and religious traditions and technology); and compose books of their own words (books of man-made laws; books of the religious traditions of their fathers; novels; etc.; etc.; etc.).
HOW TO RECOGNISE AND CORRECT THE MISTAKES:-
But when they shall write correctly all My words in their own languages,
102:9 They shall neither change nor diminish (Mark 13:31; Matthew 5:17-19); but when all shall be written correctly; ALL, which from the first I have uttered concerning them [shall concur] (Sura 15:9).

JAH - Muad'dib.

In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.


The TRUTH about the HADITH
and its Shariah law







In the 6th century A.D., when Mohammed Mustafa (peace be upon him) was born, Mecca was an evil place and Mohammed was driven out of it , to Medina.

Mecca, for hundreds of years, had been a major centre of idol-worship and a centre for pilgrims to visit and worship their many idols, which included Ishtar/Easter their queen of heaven fertility goddess and her son and they did not want Mohammed or anyone else to ruin their business, by speaking in God's name condemning their idol-worship, and telling people to visit Jerusalem instead of Mecca, as Mohammed Mustafa was teaching.

That is why they drove him out of Mecca and wanted to kill him to protect their business.

Medina was not as evil as Mecca and the people of Medina, who knew that Mecca was an evil place, accepted Mohammed and the Koran and that the "House of God" in Jerusalem is the centre of God's True Message and were converted to Islam.

The evil people of Mecca refused to accept God's Koran and Mohammed, so Mohammed assembled an army to attack and conquer it but he failed because it was not God's Will. If it had been God's Will, Mohammed would have easily defeated the Meccans because God says so in the Koran (Sura 8:65), and God's Word is always superior to that of His Apostles, on every subject and situation.

The Meccans, at that time, made (like now) a great amount of money from pilgrims coming to worship at Mecca and it was a very big and thriving "business" that they did not want to give up because it was their major source of income. That is why they rejected Mohammed, the Koran and the One True God, because it would have ruined their very lucrative business and they preferred to continue to serve their god - money, just like today.

Being unable to defeat the Meccans because it was NOT the Will of God (God is invincible), some of Mohammed's followers, being afraid, persuaded him to make a deal with the Meccans. The deal was that they would allow Mohammed into Mecca only IF he made Mecca into the centre of the new "religion", so that they could continue to make lots of money from pilgrims visiting the city and nothing would change except the name of the religion and thereby the Meccans could continue to serve their god - money, just like today.

Mohammed taught his followers to face Jerusalem and God's "Holy of Holies" on Mt. Moriah, which is where Abraham went to sacrifice Isaac and prove that he loved God above everything on Earth and by doing this became the first imam (example) to ALL of his children (including the children of his son Ishmael), showing what they must also be willing to do (Sura 8:28), before they too (his children) can become "friends of God" and "True Moslems" (Sura 2:124).

Once having made the bargain, the Meccans then wrote the Hadith to make Mecca the new centre and keep their "business" going. They gave their black rock the name Kaba, which means "Holy of Holies" or "House of God"(in Arabic), whereas God Himself says that there is only one place on Earth that is THE "Holy of Holies" and that is on Mt. Moriah in Jerusalem, where Abraham went to sacrifice (Genesis 22 v 1-2) and it is referred to in the Koran as Abraham's Station (Sura 2:125 and 3:97). Previously the black rock in Mecca had always been a site of pagan idolatry.

God has only EVER given permission for ONE house to be built for Him, on Earth and that is over Abraham's Station - the 'Holy of Holies", the Holiest place on Earth which was where Abraham "believed ONLY God" and proved his love for God by offering to sacrifice Isaac there - Mt. Moriah - the site of the "House of the Lord" in Jerusalem built by Solomon bin David (Sura 27:16)(2 Chronicles 3 v 1) The word Jerusalem means "founded on peace" and "place of safety" (Sura 2:125).

ALL of the references in the Koran to the "Holy of Holies" (Kaba in Arabic) refer to Mt. Moriah in Jerusalem as Mohammed taught and NOT to Mecca, as do also the references to His City of Peace (Sura 2:126 Jeru-SALEM), where the "House of God" or Temple was built by king Solomon (Sura 27) over Abraham's Station, where he offered Isaac to God (Sura 38:45-47).

The Meccans, in order to keep the deception going, had to discredit the Bible and stop people from reading it, so that they would never find the Truth and turn away from Mecca, back to Jerusalem, as God intended. The Meccans, in writing the Hadith and discrediting the Bible, have made it IMPOSSIBLE for anyone reading the Hadith to be able to understand the Koran and God's Truth, which is just what they intended. The Meccans (Waraquah - the Meccan-agent of the Pope) after Mohammed's death, changed the name Isaac in Sura 2:125 and 127 for the name Ishmael and invented the story about Abraham taking Ishmael to their black rock in Mecca, so that pilgrims would continue to visit Mecca, instead of going to Jerusalem as Mohammed taught his followers to do, and for which the Meccans tried to kill him.



THE INCORRECT WRITING OF GOD'S WORDS PROPHESIED to Idris/Enoch:-
102:8 They shall speak evil things; they shall utter falsehood; create a great creation (false religions and religious traditions and technology); and compose books of their own words (books of man-made laws; books of the religious traditions of their fathers; novels; etc.; etc.; etc.).
HOW TO RECOGNISE AND CORRECT THE MISTAKES:-
But when they shall write correctly all My words in their own languages,
102:9 They shall neither change nor diminish (Mark 13:31; Matt. 5:17-19); but when all shall be written correctly; ALL, which from the first I have uttered concerning them [shall concur] (Sura 15:9).

"15:9. We have, without doubt, sent down the Message (to all of the Messengers); and We will assuredly guard it (from corruption). (By showing how to correct it)."



One of the major aims of the Meccan Shariah law is to frighten people away from the Bible and dissension from their Hadith; control; manipulation and exploitation.

The Hadith was written after Mohammed's (God's Messenger, peace be upon him) death and it caused the splitting up of moslems into different sects, in direct opposition to the message of the Koran, which is all about the "Gospel of Unity" (Sura 42:13-17), the keeping of God's Covenant (Sura 5:8 and 16:91), which is written in the Torah in the Bible, and becoming a Universal Brotherhood of believers. So the Meccans made the teachings of God of no effect by the teaching of their Hadith - "Traditions of their fathers", just as the Jews did when they substituted their book the Talmud in the place of God's Torah. The Talmud was condemned by God through both Christ - Matthew 15 v 9 and Mohammed Sura 43:21-23. The word Hadith (in Arabic) means the same as the word Talmud (in Hebrew) - "the Traditions of the fathers". How blind can people be? When will you ever learn?

The Hadith has become the Talmud of the moslems and was condemned by God, in the Koran (Sura 43:21-23 and 43:3) which says that God has gone to all the trouble of writing the Koran so that YOU can understand it, yourself if you read it and DO what it says, which is to read the Bible (Sura 6:154-156) as well as the Koran and to pray IN PRIVATE (Sura 7:55), which is exactly what Christ said in Matthew 6 v 6, whereupon God will ANSWER YOU, and teach YOU what He wants you to do - "God's Will" (Islam in Arabic). If you don't do what God has told you to do when you want Him to answer you, He will NOT answer YOU. How can you be so foolish as to expect Him to when you are being disrespectful and disobedient?

In the Koran God has told you to go on the "Pilgrimage", if you are a True believer and can afford to. God says you must visit Abraham's Station (Sura 3:97) and that is Mt. Moriah in Jerusalem NOT Mecca. Abraham did not offer Isaac (or Ishmael) at the Kaba in Mecca but on Mt. Moriah in Jerusalem (Torah - Genesis 22 v 1-2)(note well Sura 32:23) because God says so in the Book that He has told YOU to read. That Book is the Bible (Sura 6:154-156), which contains the Torah.

So the Meccans and the Pope deceived all moslems and prevented the uniting of the Books (Bible and Koran) and the fulfillment of Mohammed's mission for God which was to unite ALL the True believers into keeping God's Covenant (Sura 16:91) and being His demonstration people to the rest of the world, of how wonderful it is to live under God's Laws and Sovereignty, as one Universal Brotherhood, all facing and remembering Mt. Moriah as it says in the Koran and in the Bible (Sura 2:144 and 1 kings 8 v 29-30). The Meccans with their false propaganda and LIES in their Hadith have caused and therefore are responsible for dividing instead of uniting the believers and, as a result of that division, countless wars and billions of senseless deaths and injuries over hundreds of years. Very soon now they will have to pay the grievous penalty for betraying God and will be "Companions of The Fire".

The christians are just as bad as the jews and moslems and started a religion using Christ's name and teachimg the opposite of what Christ actually said. That is why God sent the Koran to Mohammed Mustafa to bring people back to the True Faith and teachings, which are to keep The Covenant in the Torah and DO God's Will - Islam (the word Islam means doing God's Will - in Arabic), which is exactly what Christ actually did say, in the New Testament/Covenant.

This is reconfirmed by God in the Koran (Sura 43:61) which makes it doubly important and certain.

It is the DUTY of ALL believers to free yourselves from ALL of these evil man-made teachings, unite the three Books of God - Old Testament; New Testament and Koran and yourselves as one brotherhood ALL keeping The Covenant of God written in The Torah (The Law), the five Books of Moses* in the Old Testament and following Abraham's example in believing only God and loving God more than everything on Earth and doing only His Will (Islam).


JAH - Muad'dib - AMEN

* The Torah is Genesis; Exodus; Leviticus; Numbers and Deuteronomy, the first five Books in The Bible.

For more information on this and how to become a "Companion of the Garden" read "The Way home or face The Fire", (The Mother of The Book)

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