To people who believe in global warming?

Question

Why are some people claiming global warming will cause another ice age and others claiming that it will cause the globe to become too hot?

If it's so scientific and real shouldn't you all be claiming the same thing?

Answer 1

The theory of man-made global warming is false, it is based on falsified or incomplete data. Lets take a look at what the global warming crowd claims, they say that the human output of CO2 is causing the greenhouse effect which is warming the planet. To see how outrageous this claim is try to guess how much of our atmosphere is made up of CO2, the correct answer is 0.03% of our atmosphere, almost nothing. How can such a small part of our atmosphere have such an effect on our entire planet, correct answer it can’t. Greenhouse gases exist naturally and have always been in our atmosphere. Greenhouse gases such as CH4 (methane), N2O (Nitrous Oxide), and water vapor are all put out into the atmosphere naturally in far greater concentrations than humans could ever match. Let’s take a look at water vapor, water vapor makes up between 1-4% of the atmosphere far more than CO2. Water vapor is given off into the atmosphere due to evaporation, so evaporation causes much more global warming than humans ever could. Other natural sources such as volcanic eruptions and the decomposition of plant and animal matter also put far more greenhouse gases than humans ever could.
So what is causing global warming? Well first of all the earth may not even be warming. http://wwwghcc.msfc.nasa.gov/temperature/ This is a collection of global temperatures collected by NASA that shows a general cooling trend especially around the polar ice caps. So assuming the earth is warming what could be causing it, the sun. Look at this graph also put out by NASA: http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2003/17jan_solcon.htm, it shows that the intensity of the sun is directly correlated to global temperatures and recent studies have shown that the sun is now warming than ever before, coincidence? I think not. Also consider that the other planets in our solar system, Mars in particular, are also warming: http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/02/070228-mars-warming.html
You have to keep in mind that the earth goes through natural cycles of warming and cooling, take for example the ice age and later warming of the earth enough to melt the ice.
Advocates of global warming will try and post evidence but the fact is most evidence for global warming comes in the form of general statements like “think of your children/grandchildren” that try to guilt you into agreeing with them. These ads are devoid of scientific proof and seek to toy with your conscience. Every once in a while you will see a graph submitted as evidence mostly from http://www.ipcc.ch/. Take a look for yourself, I search in vain for proof of global warming on this site, sure there are dozens of graphs showing the same data: CO2 rising along with global temperatures but where are the graphs for other greenhouse gases that make up a greater percentage of our atmosphere and are put out naturally, or graphs showing the percentage of greenhouse gases put out by humans verses the gases put out by natural sources. These graphs are not included because they disprove the theory of man made global warming. The IPCC has had a questionable past, it has published a deliberately falsified graph, the so called hockey stick graph, which left out a period of warming during the 1400’s. This warming period in the 1400’s was more dramatic than what we are seeing today, and it took place long before humans industrialized. This falsification was proven and a reprint of the graph appeared in the journal Nature. You may have seen claims that there is a scientific consensus on global warming like this one: http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/full/306/5702/1686, this is an absolute lie, do you need proof? Here http://www.oism.org/pproject/s33p36.htm the signatures of over 17,000 scientists who disagree with the theory of man made global warming (check out the report on this site it does an excellent job of disproving global warming). You may have also seen reports about ice cores supposedly proving global warming, this is not true. Here is the truth about ice cores http://www.john-daly.com/zjiceco2.htm.
You may have the question why anyone would support this obviously false theory, the answer is money. Average people with no scientific background are being converted to the global warming crowd by the dozens due to the repression of evidence against global warming. This mass of people is the reason why notable people are jumping on the global warming bandwagon. Politicians are supporting global warming for votes, scientists are joining for media time and grants, and CEO’s are pledging their allegiance to gain customers who want to shop where the environment is being supported.
You may also wonder why I care, you may think we can only help the environment if we agree with global warming what’s wrong with that? I want to distinguish between global warming and helping the environment. I have no problem with environmentalist causes, in fact I support them, but global warming is taking this idea to the extreme. If you were to follow the guidelines set forth by people like Al Gore your lifestyle would be, these people want to tell you what light bulbs to use. The main reason however is money, why waste millions on studying global warming when we could be rebuilding third world countries and helping the poor. Global warming is a fear tactic used to get your money and your vote by unscrupulous members of society. Hopefully this will just fade away like the global cooling scare which was brought upon us in the 1970’s by the same sort of people using the same tactics. A last link http://www.worldclimatereport.com/ possibly the best resource for answering many of the questions raised by global warming. I urge anyone who believes in man-made global warming to look into some of the resources I have presented. Do not sacrifice your money, time, vote, and conscience to the greedy members of society who are blinding you to the truth for their own greed.

Answer 2

It's not global warming, it's global climate change. The planet's average temperature is rising, but this does not mean that all places on the planet will heat up.

I've read no scientific peer reviewed studies that make any claims that global warming will contribute to an ice age. Nor have I read any peer reviewed studies that say the Earth will become "too hot".

However, what I have seen is a nearly global scientific consesnus that the Earth's temperatures are rising and will continue to rise, with various models attempting to predict what impacts this will have on the overall environment. Some results of climate changing are good, but some are also bad.

Unfortunately there is a lot of mis-information out there. Several times I've seen people post that the people saying global climate change now are the same as those saying an ice age was going to happen back in the '70s. This is categorically untrue. The ice age hypothesis was from a few fringe scientists, which the media picked up and ran with. It was by no means a scientifically backed idea, nor did it have any sort of global scientific consensus.

You'll also see people posting about sunspot cycles being the cause of the warming. In reality, the current climate models take into account solar variation already. In fact, you can download one of the global climate models from NASA and play with it yourself to see the impacts of CO2 and solar forcings.

Then there are others who claim that an increase in atmospheric CO2 from 290 ppm to 385 ppm couldn't possibly account for warming. It is quite clear that these people have never had a course in atmospheric chemistry or physics. An increase of nearly 100 ppm represents billions and billions of tons of CO2. The effect is not linear, it's logarithmic. It's also a feedback cycle. An extreme example is the planet Venus. Due to the massive amount of CO2 in the atmosphere, the planet maintains a balmy average surface temperature of 900 degrees, even on the night side. This is 15 times hotter than Earth's average temperature, although Venus receives just twice the solar energy of Earth.

In short, most of the people who criticize global climate change have no scientific backing. They have no peer-reviewed articles. And most of them on here don't even have undergraduate degrees in a related. field

People don't seem to question the fact that a microscopic clump of cancerous cells can eventually kill something a billion times its size. They listen to their doctors, because they are the experts.

Yet, the moment someone brings up global climate change, suddenly everyone knows more than the experts. Somehow, their "gut feeling" outweighs the volumes of data and research that has been conducted worldwide.

It's pretty ludicrous. For those who criticize global climate change, go get a degree in the field. Publish research. Get peer-reviewed. Have your theories stand up to scientific scrutiny.

Until then, you most likely have absolutly no idea what you are talking about.

~X~

Answer 3

Any true scientist knows there is no such thing as a scientific truth. Even when the case at hand is the adoption of a new paradigm that has no public or economic impact, the debate is not as linear as you might expect. In such a hot issue as global warming (pun intended), where there are many economic, strategic and even social and psychological interests at stake and very few hard evidence (making any theory hard or impossible to falsify as Popper suggests science should be), it's no surprise there will be no consensus. Besides, climate is the area in which chaos theory began and that in itself should explain the difficulty of establishing proof of anything.

My prediction is that worrying about it is a waste of effort and time because, *even* if we have the physical and economic capacity to do anything about it, as a species, we do not have organizational skills and will never be able to act on it effectively. So, IF it is real, the people who worry about it will suffer twice and if it's not, they'll have suffered unnecessarily.

Finally, even if it is true, there will be beneficial effects in the drastic reduction of the population. For one, global warming (or cooling) should act as a natural selection process (which in these days of universal health care and social security has all but put an end to the process (anyone can breed). So, if the climate becomes extreme and drastically affects our way of life, several "shortcomings" should be naturally selected out of the gene pool. Kind of like fire ecology.

Answer 4

I am still a little sceptical, despite the fact that I really care about our wild places. I do however think that we should take the threat seriously. The evidence proves that natural cycles of weather occur on a grand scale. There were once lions, hippos and elephants wandering the UK countryside, about 120,000 years ago. That was an interglacial warm spell. The thing that is not disputed, is that these things happen naturally, after all the Scottish countryside is full of glacial features. However, the evidence suggests that our added contribution to global warming is making it happen at a FASTER rate than life can cope with. We are talking about climate change happening in decades, rather than spanning centuries or thousands of years. Wildlife has coped with climate change fairly well in the past. woodlands and grasslands can move at their snails pace, to keep track of the conditions that suit them. These days there are added issues. We now have our wildlife trapped in pockets that are surrounded by farmland. The natural "corridors" are gone. Wildlife charities are doing their best to make our wild places more joined up. If climate change continues as it is and there is no space for things to move, then we will lose a lot. Anyway, I think my main issue is that I don't want it to be true.

Answer 5

how wonderfull it must be to wallow in the bliss of ignorence ,

things are happening so fast now it cant be monitored any more
jungle animals are dying of sickness breaking links in food chains with drastic effects
if Anything scientists and government will do anything to hide the truth.

scientists who work for politicians ,get paid by these politicians and they have downplayed the facts because solutions are expensive and means change and change effects many peoples incomes,and upsets profit margins,so most of the world is kept in the dark of the real things that are going on.for political and economic reasons .

And the public is very gullible going for the given ¨truth ¨that they prefer to hear.

so be happy with that
we cannot change things any more anyway it is far to late for that,so who believes what is academic.


and we will all face the future with our own versions of the truth

has anyone ever figured out that the point of Christianity is to make people accept death and prepares them for facing it ,

Others prefer knowing the real truth ,and each to his own
who is anybody to judge anyone else.

so is Global warming Fact or Fiction ,
the answer its both depending on what you prefer

but in the jungles and on the equator we got to face reality whether we like it or not

I am near Acapulco and for the last 2 days we have had a series of tremors (about 10 so far),my house has a crack going right through the middle ,the neighbours roof tiles fell off,and people were sleeping outside,the tremors started 10 kilometors from here ,which has never happened before ,the 4 strongest were 7 on the righter scale ,
Acapulco had a mini tsunami last week
the river is dry
drinking water is more expensive every month
the beaches ,rivers and soils are contaminated
in Mexico city it is dangerous to breathe the Air.
in Chiapas people are dying of the cold and the heat at different times of the day and in different places

so i am so relieved when people say that it is all nothing to worry about
that it is all a political swindle
viva

Answer 6

The peer reviewed scientific data says it's real and mostly caused by us. More about that at the end of this.

Some people deny it, mostly for political reasons. A common thought there is "If Al Gore (or environmentalists) say it it must be wrong". If you accept the reality of global warming, you have to accept that we need a large international and collective solution, which some people can't accept. Some people accept a "logical" argument that sounds good but is refuted by the data. Others find "conspiracies" in everything.

This is science. Opinions don't prove anything. "logical" arguments don't prove anything. The data is what's important and the scientific data says global warming is happening and it's mostly caused by us.

Very short version:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Climate_Change_Attribution.png

The best summary of the data available:

http://www.ipcc.ch/SPM2feb07.pdf

Scientists have seen much stranger things than global warming (like Einstein's relativity or quantum mechanics) proved to be true by data. So the data, not "logical" arguments, is what they go by. The data is why why the vast majority of scientists agree that it's real and mostly caused by us. Data about that here:

http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/full/306/5702/1686

If you want to know more, here's the best website (warning - it's very big) with lots of data:

http://www.realclimate.org

"climate science from climate scientists"

Answer 7

Global warming first causes the earth to increase in average temperature. This will cause the melting of polar ice and glaciers, a huge percentage of this ice is fresh. The melting ice will eventually drain into the oceans. Global climates are determined by ocean currents. There are both warm and cold ocean currents. For example one warm ocean current takes warm water from the Carribean to waters along northern europe (hence why England is warmer and wetter than parts of Canada despite being further north). The directions of these ocean currents are determined by differences in salinity (salt concentrations). With all the freshwater from melted ice entering the ocean, it messes with salinity concentrations and thus messes with ocean currents and thus messes with global climates. It is suggested that the changes in global climates will cause an ice age because freshwater needs to be frozen and out of the oceans in order for the salinity differences to occur and in order to have a variety of climates. So with cold temps, glaciers and ice caps will reform. This is the trend of the earth. It happens naturally but apparently only some believe that this global warming incident is anthropogenic.

Answer 8

With a few exceptions, I agree with Mc above.

I really believe that many people, the government, and most societies have been brainwashed with the Global Warming crap. I think it all started with the Hair Sprays and Ozone many years ago.

President Bush bought into it and so has Governor Terminator!

There is no question in my mind that some day the Earth will go through some type of massive change. It always has amazed me that oil deposits are located miles below the Earth's surface. That oil came from organic matter. It must have been a "jungle" millions(?) of years ago.

Then, Sea life fossils are found two or more miles above the Earth's surface.

The oil and fossils are true. Perhaps Noah's Ark is also true.

As Rush would say (you too) follow the money!
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Answer 9

Some parts of the globe actually are going to get a lot colder but the overall temperature of the planet is going to get hotter because there is now a lot more CO2 than there was a hundred years ago.

Answer 10

That is why they are now calling it climate change. If the data does not fit the hypothesis, change the hypothesis.

There evidence is so weak that the main argument is always "all of the experts believe it, so should you; therefore, there is no need to question the science.

Here is a reference to peer review articles that are against the theory of man made global warming.
http://www.friendsofscience.org/documents/Madhav%20bibliography%20SHORT%20VERSION%20Feb%206-07.pdf

This article examines the study by Naomi Oreskes on the so called scientific consensus.
http://www.staff.livjm.ac.uk/spsbpeis/Scienceletter.htm

Answer 11

Global warming is speculative at best. Does the globe go through warming and cooling cycles naturally? Yes. Does the globe have ways of repairing itself? Yes. Does solar activity affect global warming? Yes. Did the Mt. Pinatubo erruption put more green house gasses in the atmosphere than all human sources combined? Yes. What is the highest % of green house gasses? Water vapor 97%.