Evolutionist - #2?

Question

with my new skin on, the evolutionist, I'm feeling pretty good.

But tell me, my friendly co-evolutionists, what is this non-sense about some 2nd Law of Thermodynamics?

The 2nd 'Law' is broken with the theory of evolution. So my question really needs to be, if I am going to become an evolutionist, I guess I have to drop the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics? Things fall apart over time, they don't 'evolve' into more advanced life forms.

It applies to open and closed systems - with the only exception being when applying to the theory of evolution.

Answer 1

> "The 2nd 'Law' is broken with the theory of evolution. So my question really needs to be, if I am going to become an evolutionist, I guess I have to drop the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics?"

Not at all. As many others have said correctly, the 2nd Law applies to *closed systems only* (one that is isolated from any outside source of energy ... and the earth is most certainly NOT isolated).

Really, you can't just state that it applies to both open and closed systems ... *that* would be breaking the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics.

Here, from wiki:
"over time, differences in temperature, pressure, and density tend to even out in a physical system which is isolated from the outside world."

So in your newfound 'evolutionist' skin, you can finally rest easy knowing you no longer have to mangle and misstate basic physical laws in order to make them fit a creationist model.

Answer 2

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Answer 3

2nd law of thermodynamics applies only to closed systems. The Earth, for example, getting large amounts of energy from the sun, does not fulfill that particular criterion.

Answer 4

It's a classic creationist lie. The second law of thermodynamics applies to closed systems. As the biosphere receives massive input of solar chemical energy, it is not a closed system. The input of energy is sufficient to overcome the tendency to disorder. If it were insufficient, not only would evolution be impossible, but life would be impossible.

Answer 5

The second law of thermodynamics has nothing to do with evolution. ( Co-evolutionist is probably a poor chioce of words as "co-evolution" refers to mutual evolutionary invluence between two species.)

Answer 6

frequently misunderstood and a favorite pseudo-'gotcha' of creationist types.

the 2nd law states that in a closed system, the amount of disorder (called entropy) always increases. so, says the creationist, how can evolution claim that evolution *produces* order - since the law states that order is alwyas reduced?

this, of course, is a gross misapplication. there's a good explanation here, from the seminal discussion board for all things evolutionary - talkorigins.org, which by the time I get round to posting this someone has probably already liked to:
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-misconceptions.html#thermo

Answer 7

Evolutionist...Hmmm. You at least spelled it right. Can you answer this argument for me from another post?

Look at a cell, it's a factory man! Your body has millions and millions of parts that all do a specific function necessary for survival. That's much more complicated than a car, yet if you ran across one in the woods you'd have no doubt it wasn't a plant.

If we evolved, how did we get from a multi-celled glob of goo to a more complicated organism where the cells all worked together? You need a circulatory system for that, I guess that evolved too...but wait, for that to work you need a heart or something to move the blood (which also had to evolve of course) around...but wait, you also need a bowel system and kidneys or something similar to clean the blood and you also need a waste system to get rid of the waste...but wait, you also need a stomach or something to break down the food you ingest so the blood cells can transport it to the other cells, and of course the stomach needs to have digestive juices in it. Hmmm....

But wait, how did this first organism multiply? You can't have the cells dividing anymore because you now have internal cells, so you need sexual reproduction...but wait, how did these develop? Why do the male and female organ fit together so very, very well? How did the sperm and egg develop AT THE SAME TIME so that they both must come together to create a new life? How did breasts develop to feed the young? What about a uterus? Now THAT'S a complicated organ!

Keep in mind that all of the above and much, much more ABSOLUTELY had to develop in the same generation or there could be no life as we know it today. It takes more faith to believe in evolution than it does in Christianity.

Answer 8

What about it?

Answer 9

http://www.secondlaw.com/