determinism or free agent theory?

Question

basically there is determinism, which states that things are all caused and therefore, with enough info, everything is perfectly predictable...and then there is the free agent theory in libertarianism, that states that we are not simply a link in this causal chain, and our choices just causes, impulses based on experiences of youth, etc....but that we have the capacity, albeit a primitive one to be the 'first mover' (Isac Newton describes God as the 'first mover' as follows: Something in motion must have been moved by something else, and that by something else yet, until the first mover, which can be called God, implicitly using the laws of motion and the conservation of energy to prove God)..

so we have a primitive ability, through rationalization, to selectively respond and react to every challenge s et before us.

Actions of animals are pretty much determined because their neural prescepts..."emotions, impulses" control them,
we as humans, can over-ride them

this view does concede that many things are determined...but that we have a very limited ability to create, just as "god created us in his image"---it makes sense we would have some capacity to create.

so we are not simply a cause in a chain, but can be an 'emitter' of causes.

I am for agent theory with deterministic aspects to the Universe...I do beleive that humans have, through our ability to respond selectively and rationally, the power to mold the Universe.

we are not a passive link, but a active participant in the cosmic dialogue.

there is soft and hard determinism...

if you choose determinisim in the answer, say which one you beleive, etc..

just an opinion on the philosophies will be fine.

3rd answerer...yes, randomness is a big part of things...

agent theory concedes that many things are determined, and our actions to a large part are random due to quantum mechanics and many random events that happen in the Universe...

but our actions according to agent thery do not happen completely by chance or by determined causes....as if leaving us just a helpless being to the workings of the Universe....as humans, we have the power to be the 'first mover'.

and to act shape the Universe...

if complete chaos were to occur, people would do things randomly and unpredictably. It is a balance...between caused and random...for the rules of the Universe...but humans can rewrite the rules, because we have the power of the first mover. We have a primitive ability as creator, and we can mold our Universe.

through rationalization we can respond, and alter course, we can rig an experiment...we can shape our reality. We are the first mover in that we all have the ability to imagine and alter our enviroment.

through rationalization we can respond, and alter course, we can rig an experiment...we can shape our reality. We are the first mover in that we all have the ability to imagine and alter our enviroment to some extent or another

Answer 1

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Answer 2

We are the sum of our life, the expression of our whole past unto the first generation. All of which has brought to bear the forces that shape and mold our minds, our will, and our perceptions. We can only choose among the choices that we perceive as presented to us. These choices are seldom of our own making alone. Thus it is that we interact with the universe to obey its bidding because we can do nothing else. It is the way we are made. And it leaves us with a certain amount of sadness.

Answer 3

Determinism breaks down whilst utilized to complicated structures. that's why quite stepped forward computers performing on "fuzzy" good judgment each and every so often bypass loopy. collectively as each and every thing has a reason, the "real international" reasons are immersed in a chaotic field of opportunities. no longer something turns into actually specific as a results of fact we won't be able to hint the totality of the form chain. It gets misplaced interior the chaos of alternative adventure chains.

Answer 4

'basically there is determinism, which states that things are all caused and therefore, with enough info, everything is perfectly predictable...'

Perfection for prediction is not possible as contingent conditions and principle conditions are as conjoined twins, one is chaos and the other is order.

'and then there is the free agent theory in libertarianism, that states that we are not simply a link in this causal chain, and our choices just causes, impulses based on experiences of youth, etc....but that we have the capacity, albeit a primitive one to be the 'first mover' '

The first mover metaphor is too simple to give answers and we are better to identify our self as first having this animal percepts or precepts than to alienate them for mystery. On the other side of that, we are not born with full knowledge of our potentials for using facts, and the facts of our internality are not self evident.

'Actions of animals are pretty much determined because their neural precepts..."emotions, impulses" control them,
we as humans, can over-ride them '

We constrain the affects and effects of emotion for ideas of freedom from evils and the sustenance for our good, but it is a grave misconception to identify emotions as something external to our self and our self's being, i.e. the self is emotion and with ideas emotions upon emotions manifold.


'§ 195

The object (1) in its immediacy is the notion only potentially; the notion as subjective is primarily outside it; and all its specific character is imposed from without. As a unity of differents, therefore, it is a composite, an aggregate; and its capacity of acting on anything else continues to be an external relation. This is Formal Mechanism. Notwithstanding, and in this connection and non-independence, the objects remain independent and offer resistance, external to each other.

Pressure and impact are examples of mechanical relations. Our knowledge is said to be mechanical or by rote, when the words have no meaning for us, but continue external to sense, conception, thought; and when, being similarly external to each other, they form a meaningless sequence. Conduct, piety, etc., are in the same way mechanical, when a man's behaviour is settled for him by ceremonial laws, by a spiritual adviser, etc.; in short, when his own mind and will are not in his actions, which in this way are extraneous to himself.'

http://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/hegel/works/sl/slobject.htm#SL195

http://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/hegel/works/sl/slobject.htm

http://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/hegel/li_terms.htm

Answer 5

I've dumped free-will and determinism and fully adopted Chaos Theory.

Answer 6

yes...the human element can prove quite unpredictable