Weeeell I oppose the catholic "church" for all of its many heresies. This verse, however, related directly to a problem of false apostles in Paul's day. It's not prophetic! That said, the sin of hierarchical leadership is almost as rampant among protestants now as it is among catholics. How many pastors do you know of who, positionally speaking as far as "their" congregation is concerned, are much different than a miniature pope?
2007-04-11 11:45:55
·
answer #1
·
answered by Anonymous
·
1⤊
1⤋
In Acts chapter 1, verses 15 and 23-25 it states:
"And in those days Peter stood up in the midst of the disciples...And the appointed two, Joseph called Barsabas, who was surnamed Justus, and Matthias. And they prayed, and said Thou, Lord, which knowest the hearts of all men, shew whether of these two thou hast chosen, That he may take part of this ministry and apostleship, from which Judas by transgression fell, that he might go to his own place. And they gave forth their lots; and the lot fell upon Matthias; and he was numbered with the eleven apostles."
Since Judas had not only fallen, but was dead, there was a vacancy in the twelve apostles. After they had prayed, the lot fell on Matthias, and he was ordained to be a new apostle.
Another evidence of apostolic succession are the writings of Paul. As they are canonized as scripture, they must have been given by an apostle. Since Paul was not one of the original twelve, he clearly must have come by apostolic succession.
I believe that the scripture 2 Corinthians 11:13 refers to improper apostolic succession.
Eventually, all of the twelve apostles were either killed or died.
This left the bishops in europe and asia to essentially fight for power. They knew that apostolic succession was necessary within the church, so they claimed to have it whether it was truly theirs or not. In the end one of these bishops came out ahead of the rest and claimed succession to Peter, again whether it was really his or not.
This and the nicene creed were the beginnings of the Roman Catholic church.
To sum it all up, apostolic succession was the right way, but it was not maintained throughout the centuries.
2007-04-11 12:14:46
·
answer #2
·
answered by www 2
·
0⤊
1⤋
Christy ordained Peter and promised the Holy Spirit to guide him in ALL decisions of the Church, yes?
And Peter, guided by the Holy Spirit, believed in Apostolic Succession. Hence, the line of Popes.
The Catholic Church has not reversed a position of Papal dogma in 2000 years. This would not be possible for a human institution.
2007-04-11 13:39:22
·
answer #3
·
answered by Matt 2
·
0⤊
1⤋
In the King James Version Bible, 1 John 5:7 reads: For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. Using the writings of the early Church Fathers, the Greek and Latin manuscripts and the testimony of the first versions of the Bible, Newton demonstrated that the words "in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one," in support of the Trinity doctrine, did not appear in the original Greek Scriptures. He then traced the way in which the purportedly spurious reading crept into the Latin versions, first as a marginal note, and later into the text itself. He noted that "the Æthiopic, Syriac, Arabic, Armenian, and Slavonic versions, still in use in the several Eastern nations, Ethiopia, Egypt, Syria, Mesopotamia, Armenia, Muscovy, and some others, are strangers to this reading".[4] He argued[5] that it was first taken into a Greek text in 1515 by Cardinal Ximenes on the strength of a late Greek manuscript corrected from the Latin. Finally, Newton considered the sense and context of the verse, concluding that removing the interpolation makes "the sense plain and natural, and the argument full and strong; but if you insert the testimony of 'the Three in Heaven' you interrupt and spoil it."[6]
2016-05-17 22:25:59
·
answer #4
·
answered by karin 3
·
0⤊
0⤋
Acts 1:15-26
Apostolic succession is very much biblical. Did you think that Jesus planned to just leave the earth and when the Apostles died to leave everyone else without teachers and a leader? I don't think so.
As for the false prophets in your verse, that would be those who are teaching things contrary to the Church Christ left behind...
2007-04-11 11:47:25
·
answer #5
·
answered by SpiritRoaming 7
·
0⤊
1⤋
False apostles are people like Jerry Falwell and Ann Coulter who spew hatred, oppression, discrimination and xenophobia in the name of Jesus.
Apostolic succession does have its origins in the New Testament in the laying on of hands to commission or ordain more apostles. Apostolic succession, even in Catholicism is based on this passing on of the authority by laying on of hands, not on familial descendency from Peter. See the Old Testament story where Elijah's mantle is cast over Elisha.
2007-04-11 11:44:34
·
answer #6
·
answered by Linda R 7
·
2⤊
1⤋
Jesus said to the Apostles, whosoever shall be the greatest among you shall be the servant for all.
Jesus said; Lazarus come forth, John the baptist was Isaah reincarnated, Jesus knew who he was, as did John the baptist, but none of the Apostles knew this.
Jesus said; The Holy Ghost shall bring to your remembrance whosoever I have spoken unto you, not your words or the words of the Prophets or Moses but my Words. For I speak unto you not my words but the Words of Him who sent me.
PETER betrayed Jesus not once but 3 times, did not Jesus say: Pete the Devil hath a desire to have you. Did Peter not fall asleep twice when was supposed to be watching.
At the last supper Peter was more concerned about who would be the greatest in heaven then concerned for the work that Jesus sent out to do, to the contrary Peter went fishing instead of working for God.
2007-04-11 15:20:18
·
answer #7
·
answered by Anonymous
·
0⤊
0⤋
Part of the answer is given in the preceding verses: "For if one comes and preaches another Jesus whom we have not preached, or you receive a different spirit which you have not received, or a different gospel which you have not accepted, you bear this beautifully.
For I consider myself not in the least inferior to the most eminent apostles." (II Corinthians 11:4,5)
Paul speaks of men who:
1)proclaim another Jesus - that is, one which does not harmonize with the revelation given to the true apostles of Christ.
(eg., the Jesus of Jehovah's Witnesses, Mormons, Islam, New Age, liberal Christianity)
2)bring a different Spirit. That is any Spirit other than the Holy Spirit of God.
3) a different Gospel. An example of this is clearly given in Scripture in the case of the Judaizers who insisted Gentile believers had to become circumcised and observe the Law of Moses.
These are the one of whom it is said:
"No wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light.
Therefore it is not surprising if his servants also disguise themselves as servants of righteousness, whose end will be according to their deeds."
2007-04-11 11:51:38
·
answer #8
·
answered by wefmeister 7
·
1⤊
0⤋
This verse in II Corin. does not refer to apostolic succession. It talks of Satan being the great deceiver ( v. 3; John 8:44 ), and using evil men as his agents, transforming them into 'false apostles and deceitful workers'. The Bible speaks of these deceitful ministers and leaders as people who, energized by Satan, appear to accomplish great things for God ( v. 15; Rev. 13:2 ), preach attractive gospel messages ( v. 4 ), and appear to be righteous, but in reality reject godliness and deny it's power ( 2 Tim. 3:5 ).
These people disguise themselves as 'apostles of Christ' and 'ministers of righteousness' ( v. 15 ). Thus, they they imitate real ministers of Christ, putting into their message every available 'form of godliness' ( 2 Tim. 3:5 ). They may be sincerely caring and loving, and they may preach forgiveness, peace, fulfillment, brotherhood, and many other helpful things - but they live under the influence of Satan. Their gospel is often one of human reason and not a true interpretation of God's revelation found in the scriptures. ( Gal. 1:6-7; 1 Peter 2:1-3 ) Their message deviates from the N.T. apostolic doctrine.
All believers must beware of these misleading ministers and leaders ( v-v. 3-4; Matt. 7:15; 16:6 ) and not be deceived by their charisma, oratory, education, miracles, numerical success, philosophy, or popular message.
All religious leaders must be judged according to their attitude and loyalty toward the blood redemption of Jesus Christ and the gospel as presented by Christ and the writers of the N.T.
2007-04-11 12:21:25
·
answer #9
·
answered by Anonymous
·
1⤊
1⤋
The apostle was writing to the Christian congregation in Corinth. His inspired letter was directed to believers—to God’s people. Some prominent men among them showed animosity toward Paul, were ‘false apostles, deceitful workers, ministers of Satan.’ And those unscrupulous men professed to be spirit-begotten followers of Jesus Christ. They evidently entertained the hope of one day ruling with Christ in heaven. In fact, those arrogant men apparently had already sought such prominence among fellow believers that it was as though they had already “begun ruling as kings”—of course, without the apostle Paul, whom they despised. (1 Cor. 4:8-14) Men with such attitudes would never be accepted as heavenly associate rulers with Christ, no matter how great and righteous they considered themselves to be. “God opposes the haughty ones, but he gives undeserved kindness to the humble ones.”—Jas. 4:6.
2007-04-11 11:46:57
·
answer #10
·
answered by papa G 6
·
2⤊
0⤋