Jehovah's Witnesses? Anyone that reads the Bible? Do you doubt the Deity of Christ???

Question

Consider 1 Timothy 6:14-16

14 that you obey this command without wavering. Then no one can find fault with you from now until our Lord Jesus Christ comes again.15 For at just the right time Christ will be revealed from heaven by the blessed and only almighty God, the King of all kings and Lord of all lords. 16 He alone can never die, and he lives in light so brilliant that no human can approach him. No human eye has ever seen him, nor ever will. All honor and power to him forever! Amen. (NLT)

14That thou keep this commandment without spot, unrebukable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ:
15Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;
16Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen. (KJV)


**These verses here imply that the ONE and ONLY Almighty God is the King of kings and Lord of lords.

Compare to Revelations 19:13-16

3 He wore a robe dipped in blood, and his title was the Word of God. 14 The armies of heaven, dressed in the finest of pure white linen, followed him on white horses. 15 From his mouth came a sharp sword to strike down the nations. He will rule them with an iron rod. He will release the fierce wrath of God, the Almighty, like juice flowing from a winepress. 16 On his robe at his thigh was written this title: King of all kings and Lord of all lords. (NLT)

13And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God. 14And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.15And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
16And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.

These verses clearly show that Jesus=The Word=King of Kings and Lord of Lords=God Almighty=The ONLY God.

Amen Kidd!! Look at all the lost that need our prayers... so very badly.

Does the watchtower have an article on the comparison of these two passages? In all seriousness, I would really like to see what they have to say......because even the NWT which I didn't quote here, has almost the identical words......

**Brown Skin... issue is not the trinity...issue is Deity of Christ... don't these passages point blank at Jesus=Jehovah? This is solid proof...much moreso than Jesus=Michael..... Jesus is NOT Michael. Jesus deserves full worship. All power and glory and honor are HIS. Forever and ever.

trk - you are EXACTLY right. My point is that they are BOTH the Kinig of kings and Lord of lords.

The quote from Timothy shows Almighty God = King of kings and Lord of lords.

The quote from Revelation shows Jesus = King of kings and Lord of lords.

Therefore, Almighty God = Jesus!!!!!!!!!

****Q&A Queen... there are verses that say Jesus is not the Father... AND there are verses that say Jesus IS Almighty God.... several of them in fact... that is where the trinity comes it... it refers to the fact that Our Heavenly Father can be BOTH the Father and the Son (two distinct persons -one more for the HS) at the same time.

A human man cannot be both himself and his son. A human woman cannot become pregnant as a virgin. A human man cannot create a planet and people and animals and plants. BUT we must remember that our God can do ANYTHING!!

Matthew 19:26
Jesus looked at them and said, "With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible."

I guess the watchtower never looked at these two verses?

achtung you are not reading in context...

Here's what the NWT says:

13 In the sight of God, who preserves all things alive, and of Christ Jesus, who as a witness made the fine public declaration before Pontius Pilate, I give you orders 14 that you observe the commandment in a spotless and irreprehensible way until the manifestation of our Lord Jesus Christ. 15 This [manifestation] the happy and only Potentate will show in its own appointed times, [he] the King of those who rule as kings and Lord of those who rule as lords, 16 the one alone having immortality, who dwells in unapproachable light, whom not one of men has seen or can see. To him be honor and might everlasting. Amen.

Jesus is Almighty God.

Ishvarlan... what about the scriptures quoted? How do you explain?

keiichi.... does this describe Jesus or Jehovah or both?

" the one alone having immortality, who dwells in unapproachable light, whom not one of men has seen or can see. To him be honor and might everlasting. Amen."

******Thank you keiichi*****
So then isnt the whole sentence about Jehovah?
"This [manifestation] the happy and only Potentate will show in its own appointed times, [he] the King of those who rule as kings and Lord of those who rule as lords, the one alone having immortality, who dwells in unapproachable light, whom not one of men has seen or can see. To him be honor and might everlasting. Amen."
Doesn't that make Jehovah the King of kings and Lord of lords?

ps... that part was straight from the NWT which is not supposed to have any translation errors...

Every single word in that sentence described Jehovah, including King of kings and Lord of lords.

Answer 1

Dear Anna,
They cannot explain away the Deity of Christ. JW's use only there version ( the little green bible) to corrupt God's word. They do the same thing with only 144,000 people will go to heaven. Not saying the pledge of allegiance. Not excepting Blood transfusions. The dead sleep. Everything they teach is a lie, a perversion of God's Holy word. They are indeed very much like the Mormon faith, in that they follow the teachings of a man rather than God.
There is only one God and he is King of Kings and Lord of Lords, and again I say Amen!

Great Post!

Answer 2

The bible is written in 2 areas, first the Hebrew scriptures, then the christian Greek scriptures. And to understand what the bible has to assert approximately issues, they could be translated. So the Jehovah's Witnesses' maximum suitable translators translate the bible, be conscious for be conscious, in no way re writing it just to extra healthful what we are saying. the conceal of out bible says "New worldwide Translation of the Holy Scriptures" so that's an instant translation of the bible. working example, we call ourselves "Jehovah's Witnesses" because of the fact at Isaiah 40 3:10 it says "you're my witnesses, is the utterance of Jehovah, even my servant whom I even have chosen, only so which you would be able to understand and have self assurance in me, and which you will understand that i'm the comparable One. earlier me there replaced into no God shaped, and after me there persisted to be none." So something we coach is predicated off the bible. not via our very own journey, or what others say, yet what the bible fairly teaches.

Answer 3

The scripture is describing Jesus, not Jehovah.


vs 14, until the manifestation of our Lord Jesus Christ.
vs 15, Potentate is one who has power over others.

This fits Jesus, because he is over all but Jehovah.
1 Cor 15:27, 28

The one alone having immortality, is correct, at the time of this writing, only Jesus had been resurrected to heavenly life, receiving the reward of immortality.

(what he didn't have prior to coming to the earth, because remember he died for us.)

Jesus was rewarded

Heb 12:2 Jesus is rewarded for his faith, for passing the test (2:18)

If you cannot fail a test it is not a test !

Just as all those in Heb. ch. 11 proved faithful, Jesus proved faithful to his heavenly Father and his God. (Rom 15:5, 6; Rev. 1:6; & 3:12, testimony by Paul, John, and Jesus himself)

Answer 4

Jesus Christ is the Son of God, not the God almighty.
Jesus is inferior to God before he came to the earth, and after as well.

Read Deuteronomy 6:4, Malachi 2:10, Mark 10:18, Romans 3:29,30; Hebrews 5:8; 1 Corinthians 11:3, John 20:17; Revelation 1:6.

*Do you not know when the doctrine of the Trinity developed? It was certanily not preached by the disciples of Jesus - nor Jesus himself!

*Assuming that Jesus deserves full power and glory forever and blah blah.....is assuming he is equal to God or God. Which is so not the case. Did you even read the scriptures? Obviously not.
But, wisdom is discernment.

Have a nice day.

Answer 5

1 Tim 6: 14 - 16 ...if you look at verse 13 "In the sight of God, who preserves all things alive, and of Christ Jesus, who as a witness made the fine public declaration before Pontius Pilate, I give you orders...: two distinct individuals...

Since man has seen Jesus and Jesus did die and was dead for three days until his Father resurrected him...verse 16 would be speaking of God, not Jesus. Verse 17 goes on to say to "rest hope, not on uncertain riches, but on God."

And no I do not agree that Jesus is the Almighty God. Yes, he is mentioned as Lord of Lords and King of Kings, but man has seen him and he did die. He and Jehovah are not the same. Jehovah is the Almighty God, and Jesus is at the right hand of God, 2nd in command.

Answer 6

Says in V. 13 Jesus is not God.

I give thee charge in the sight of God, who quickeneth all things,

"and"

[before] Christ Jesus.

Answer 7

There is no doubt whatsoever that Jesus Christ is The Almighty God Himself and the argument by the JW's is simply because their god is too small, which is also the reason they cannot accept the Trinity.
It's also the reason why they even disown their founder, Chuck, who would not and could not approve of Jesus' teachings concerning Hell. They are not Christians.
It is absurd for the fallen mind to comprehend The Almighty, Jehovah (or Yahweh) GOD.
And those that argue that Jesus was inferior to The Father underestimate the miraculous humanization of God's Second Person in Jesus, The Christ of God, Total God and Perfect Man, which fact the leaders of the Jews ALSO could not accept, even though they were awaiting that event.
We can argue from The Holy Bible as long as you want but only The Holy Spirit reveals God's mind to man's, and changes man's hearts for the love of Jesus.
THERE IS NO anihilation of the soul but the Righteous Judgment at the Last Day by Jesus Christ, The Wisdom of God and the POWER of God. (Look that up too).
J.W.'s ought to quit revising their bibles to conform to their beliefs before their bubble bursts. I used to follow up on their "modifications" until I reached about four revisions that kept modifying The Word for their convenience. I gave up over 15 years ago.

Answer 8

Was Paul or Timothy ordained By Jesus Christ, God the Father, who art in heaven, or the Holy Ghost.
Who is Almighty God, and king of kings and Lord of Lords

Answer 9

Actually, people who just read the Old Testament tend to doubt the deity of Christ, also. The bible might have statements about Christ but it is not proof for most of the world (Christians are only about 1/3rd of the population).

Answer 10

Yes I do. For a myriad of reasons. Consider, According to the Bible God cannot lie. Christ died. Who raised him up. If it was he himself, then he was not truly dead, there fore God lied by saying he was.