If god knows the time of your birth and death, why are you so upset about abortion?

Question

According to your bible, GOD has a plan for EVERYONE'S life. He has counted the days and knows when you will be born and when you will die. In other words, he plans abortions ahead of time. He plans cancer ahead of time. He plans murder ahead of time. He plans fatal accidents ahead of time. He even advocates and demands the killing teenagers that are disobediant. And guess what, He has a plan to kill YOU TOO! So why are you so upset about abortion. Shouldn't you look at it as another part of God's plan?

Oh, everything I've said is backed up by the bible, so if you're christian, you may want to stick to the biblical facts here, not YOUR own personal interpretation of what god wants.

Ladies and gentlemen, you obviously forgot the part where I said to stick to the bible. In other words, stop making stuff up. There is no such thing as free will. If God has a plan for everyones life, and he is all powerful, and he has planned all the days of your life, then no, there cannot be free will. If there is, show it to me in the bible. I can show you where he says he has your life planned for you, but you can't show me a thing that says "free will." I can show you where god says to kill kids and rip babies from their mother's bellies, but you can't show me free will. Stick to scripture, christians. Stick to his laws. And yes, the old testement is still in effect. Ask Jesus.

WOW, some of you are really dense. I said to stick to biblical facts, and you some of you ran away with "Free-Will." This is not, I repeat, NOT in the bible. You can decide to interpret a vaguely worded quote from Paul (who is not God, or Jesus) as proof of free will, but that does not make it so. Just because the sky is blue does not mean pigs can fly.

One of you was so dense you thought I said NOT to use biblical scripture. I demanded it! Read the question! Follow the question!

If you all would like to hold bible study, I'd be glad to participate. Just don't get mad when I show you what your god told you to do, like kill all the women and children when you invade a nation and take the virgins for yourselves. Don't be mad when I show you that Jesus says to listen to your daddy and do as he says.

p.s. can anyone find "predestinate" in the bible or dictionary?

Sweet,

Atheists have not been challenging christians since the beginning of sin. Unless you mean sin started in 300 A.D. See, that's when the first christians became christians. Before that, they were followers of the way, and before that, they were disciples or random gatherings of crowds. There were no christians before then. Put the holy acid drop down, sober up, and talk to me when you can think straight.

Answer 1

A person is accountable for the evil they do, as well as the evil they allow to happen by inaction.

Answer 2

This is a popular belief. Let us take a closer look.

Some who believe every single thing is fated reason this way: God is omniscient. He therefore, knows everything that is going to happen. He knows what each person is going to do, he already knows the exact moment and manner of each person's death. As a matter of fact, He has personally set all this in advance. So, according to this thinking when the time comes for a person to make a decision, his choice is what God has already foreseen and foreordained. Does this reasoning seem sound to you? Let us see this through to the logical consequences:

If God has already determined your future, then trying to take care of yourself is a useless waste of time. It makes no difference to your health if you choose to smoke or choose not to smoke. There's no point in wearing a seat belt in the car because it would have no effect on your safety. Very faulty logic. Why? It is well-established that people who take precautions suffer fewer fatal consequences. Carelessness can result in tragic events. It is also well-established that smoking is always harmful and often fatal and quitting this habit brings immediate benefits.

Moreover, the scriptures repeatedly show the choice God has placed before all people. To illustrate: when God concluded a covenant with Israel, he said to them: "I have put life and death before you, the blessing and the malediction: and you must CHOOSE life in order that you may keep alive, you and your offspring." Deuteronomy 30:19. Did God set ahead of time the choice that those people would make? Obviously not.

Jeremiah 38:20 gives this exhortation: "Obey, please, the voice of Jehovah in what I am speaking to you, and it will go well with you, and your soul will continue to live." Is it reasonable to suggest that a loving God would encourage people to do right and look forward to a reward when he knows all along that they are destined to fail? That is a ludicrous suggestion.

Finally, Eccleasiastes 9:11 makes it abundantly clear that "time and unforeseen occurences befall us all." Accidents happen.

So although it is a widespread belief that everything is foreordained and planned, this belief has absolutely no basis in scripture.

Hannah J Paul

Answer 3

Don't you love it when people use the logics of the Bible as the source for their question, but then object when the logics of the Bible is used to answer the question?

You overlook a thing called "free will". Yes, God has a plan for each person. No, each person does not FOLLOW that plan. The refusal to follow that plan is called sin (you have heard of that right? You do know Chrisitans believe it it.)

Just because God has a plan does not mean that everyone is walking out the plan, nor that everything they do is part of the place. As God forbids muder, for example, he would not plan for a person to committ that, nor be a victim of it. But because of "free will", people are still able to disobey his plan and do that.

Paul writes about it in Romans 8:2, where it says we need to know the "good", and the "acceptable", and the "perfect" wills of God. For he has more than one "plan" or one "will". We decide which we walk in.

Answer 4

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Answer 5

As someone who calls himself a confirmed atheist, does it make you extremely hypocritical to be quoting from the Bible?
Shouldn't you, if God does not exist, be speaking against abortion, rather than claiming that the Bible says that it is OK? Either God exists, and you can claim to know his will, or he does not, and you should be ignoring him. Perhaps he wants you to be an atheist, to provide a yardstick for hypocrisy.
As a not very religious Catholic myself, I have some trouble with some of the Catholic views, as I'm sure many do. But I do support their views on abortion and euthanasia. They are unwavering in their conviction that all life is sacred, whether that be an unborn baby, an old patient suffering from cancer, or a murderer on death row. It is a simple conviction, and it is non-judgmental.

If you think you will bring down religion by shouting ignorant half-truths and making illogical conclusions based on your own flawed interpretations of a book you say is false, then I suggest that you are out of your league.
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Answer 6

If you do not want us to use the Bible, then you should not either. It never ceases to amaze me when people do that. Yes, God does have a plan for each of us, but people do not always follow that plan, that is where sin comes in. There is a lot in scripture about that. Free will began in the old testament- God told Adam and Eve not to eat of the ONE tree- they had all the other fruit to enjoy- they chose to eat of the one tree that God told them not to touch- God's plan should be followed by each and every one of us, however, because we choose our own way, that does not mean that God was wrong- it is us who sinned. I know that you do not want to have me quote scripture but I am sorry, I have too= THOU SHALT NOT KILL- that leads us to a choice. God is the giver of life. If you do not believe in God do not use the bible to further your unbelief, but do not expect us who know Jesus as our Savior not to answer according to Scripture.

Answer 7

It's not your logic, but your premise that is faulty.
God knows what we will do in our lives and plans accordingly. If I watch a toddler eyeballing an open package of M&Ms on a coffee table, I know that the child will try to get one. I can even plan on it. That does not mean that I caused the child to try to get it. The same could be said for a curious child that is fascinated by a light socket. I know that the child will touch it even though I tell him not to. I can allow the child to stick his finger in the socket so that he learns a valuable lesson that he would not have learned otherwise because he was not obedient. But that does not mean I caused him to place his finger in the socket.
As stated, your premise that God caused abortion is faulty. He may know that you will have an abortion, and may plan for it, but He did not cause it. That was your choice. Likewise, He does not cause a murderer to kill, but He may plan for it by arranging for a witness so that the murderer gets caught.
He may plan cancer in order to make you fight for life and grow stronger and have a close brush with death so that you have a different outlook on life. But he does not control or plan what we will do. Those things are the result of free will. You and some of the others wish to try to invalidate the rebut of free will, but your disdain for it just won't fly.
God does know the moment of our births and deaths. He knows yours as well. Have you considered that He may be reaching out to you by way of some of these responses in order to get your attention? He knows the time of your death. The clock is ticking.

Answer 8

Like the other guy said, Thou shall not kill. Are you just going to let those babies die? It's natural for people, not just Christians, to be against aborting. I'm sure that even some, if not all non-Christians are against abortion. Because abortion is killing. It's also supposed to be against the law. Think of all those babies who were maybe supposed to be these people who are to make a difference in the world! And in abortion, I think that we should take away religion issues! Because it's an obvious wrong doing!!! I cannot believe you just asked this question!

Answer 9

God condones abortion? Biblical proof?

Yes, God knows when we will be born and when will die. Very nice observation. He also has a plan for each of our lives and gives us all a purpose. Being aborted wouldn't fufill that purpose would it? Since, you don't get a chance to live out your life. I could give you plenty of refrences to those facts.

God allows things to happen. Hence free will. Does abortion make free will justifiable in this case? NO.

Answer 10

When you say God "plans" all such atrocities, you make him look like a real bad and cruel God. However, what I see from God knowing everything about everything, is that He is in complete control. There is nothing that takes him by surprise, nor is he greatly moved or shocked by any form of calamity that befalls the sons of men.

God does not 'plan' for those bad things to happens, he allows them - that's why he does permit them in certain places or for certain people.

There is an obvious differece between allowing something to happen and causing it to happen.

Answer 11

It is true that God knows the future and the decisions that we will make, because He lives outside of time. The fact that He knows what we are going to do, and when we are going to die does not mean that He advocates the taking of innocent lives.

God has given each of us a free will, and with that free will we can choose to do right or to do wrong.