If it was the flesh then there's no much value in this sacrifice, it will only balance a killing of a human being not the sins of all human being. If it was god, then how come a god be killed? does a god die? can a human being kill a god? can a human being spit at a god? can a material thing "cross" hold a god? Does god feel pain? can someone cause pain to god? if so, what's the difference between this god and all the other human beings?
2007-04-10 18:47:57 · 12 answers · asked by Young Guy 2 in Society & Culture ➔ Religion & Spirituality
**"Crucified"
2007-04-10 18:57:48 · update #1
Well, I don't understand how a god can be crucified. I'm giving proofs for my idea.
2007-04-10 18:59:52 · update #2
Only flesh can be crucified, but the soul that is hypostatically united with the flesh wholly suffers the agony of the crucifixion. So the Passion involved Body and SOUL of the MAN WHO is GOD. HIS IDENTITY as GOD, insuring the very ESSENCE of GOD in the Flesh suffered Crucifixion in an infinite Humiliation, which HE had to humble HIMSELF before HIS EQUAL, WHO became HIS FATHER in that process, to enter, means that HIS SELF-Sacrifice in deed was what we needed. But HE only humbled HIS UNBEGOTTEN SELF before HIS EQUAL, thereby humbly placing in Trust all that was HIS in the Bosom of the FATHER, and only as obeying HIS FATHER, did HE become MAN, and, while remaining the SAME PERSON that is the FATHER's EQUAL, HE died only in HIS Human Nature, a PERSON of the TRIUNE DEITY reversing the condemnation of man in the form of MAN, but without sin, restoring to all that HE Disciples the whole of the original GOD-given nature of man. But it was not right that HIS UNBEGOTTEN FIRST NATURE that was HIS before becoming the SON OF GOD should be demeaned in service of our Salvation. Yet, behind HIS Humiliation for our sakes as MAN, is HIS first step of infinite Humiliation - redounding to an infinite Glory for ever: HIS humbling HIMSELF unto HIS EQUAL first, to prepare for being sent by the FATHER to our aid.
2007-04-10 19:01:08 · answer #1 · answered by Travis J 3 · 1⤊ 0⤋
Foolish as this question is, I'll try to answer.
If it was the flesh then there's no much value in this sacrifice, it will only balance a killing of a human being not the sins of all human being.
Christ was both human and God. As a "sinless human" (sinless is the important part) sacrificing Himself (no-one killed Him) was an acceptable sacrifice for all who had sinner. One untainted offering pays for all the sins.
If it was god, then how come a god be killed?
Jesus was not killed. As stated in the accounts "Into Your hands, I commend My spirit." Christ allowed Himself to die, as a sinless being, no-one could kill Him.
does a god die?
No. Only flesh dies. His spirit remained alive and returned a few days later to raise His body again.
can a human being kill a god?
Nope.
can a human being spit at a god?
Sure. But I wouldn't recommend it.
can a material thing "cross" hold a god?
No. As Jesus told Peter, "do you think that I could not now pray to my Father, and He would provide me with over 12 legions of angels? How then could the scriptures be fulfilled, then it must happen thus." Jesus was fully capable of removing Himself from the cross, but His mission was to die on the cross - so why would He?
Does god feel pain?
God can feel emotional pain, and when in human form Jesus felt physical pain.
can someone cause pain to god?
Emotional only.
if so, what's the difference between this god and all the other human beings?
That's already been outlined.
From the question itself, I'd say you need to do some studying.
2007-04-10 19:06:04 · answer #2 · answered by Anonymous · 1⤊ 0⤋
I suggest reading "The Fifty Reasons why Christ Came to Die"by John Piper.
God was crucified on the cross as our subsitute. Our sin is so bad that we couldn't have paid, it took Christ to come up with the full ransom. God allowed Himself to be killed for us. He died, and was dead for 3 days. Because of His deity, He rose Himself from the dead.
God gave Himself up to the world to be sacrificed, and so He gave the world the ability to kill Him.
Humans DID spit at God. (Matthew 27:27-31 'The the soldiers of the governor took Jesus into the Praetorium and gathered the whole garrison around Him. When they had twisted a crown of thorns, they put it on His head, and a reed in HIs right hand. And the bowed the knee before Him and mocked Him, saying, 'Hail, King of the Jews!' Then they spat on Him, and tood the reed and struck Him on the head. And when they had mocked Him, they took the robe off Him, put His own clothes on Him, and led Him away to be crucified."
The cross was only able to hold God because God became flesh. John 1:14 "And the Word (God) became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth."
This is the same reason that God felt pain. Without pain, the wrath of God wouldn't have been absorbed by Jesus, and His mission to ransom us would've been in vain.
WE caused God pain through our sin.
God created earth and all it holds: humans, molecules, atoms, electricity, animals, water and the universes that surround this earth, and all universes and galaxies. God can raise not only others from the dead (John 11:38-44,
Luke 8:49-56, Luke 7:11-17), but also Himself (Mark 9:31).
2007-04-10 19:35:37 · answer #3 · answered by EmeraldFire 3 · 0⤊ 0⤋
Jesus Christ was fully human & fully divine. This is beyond logic & so Christians accept that in faith . He was crucified, spelled c-r-u-c-i-f-i-e-d as human &divine. In Jesus, we cannot separate His humanity & divinity. He is not divided into two like you specified: flesh & god. He offered His life for what he was, cricified, died, was buried, resurrected (not resuscitated) and that is a statement of faith. If he was mere human, he would not be able to atone for the sins of the world, if purely divine, how could he have offered himself as a sacrifice? Therefore, as John pointed out..."... the Word became flesh..." . With faith, no need for explaining; without faith, no amount of explaining....
2007-04-10 19:17:14 · answer #4 · answered by Anonymous · 0⤊ 0⤋
Jesus is truly God and truly man, complete with a human soul, as well as his divine "essence" or spirit.
When he permitted himself to be put to death, his human soul and his divine spirit separated from his body.
This separation of the body and the spirit constitutes death, for any human.
The only difference was that because Jesus is God, and he is also without sin, he wasn't LIABLE to die.
He permitted it to be done to him in order to bring about the complete and utter destruction of Satan and the forces of evil, who had no right at all, to take his life.
2007-04-10 23:21:01 · answer #5 · answered by Anonymous · 0⤊ 0⤋
the law of sin and death was crucified, if you accept it
drop your degree for a moment and send G-d some knee mail for a sec dude
2007-04-10 18:52:14 · answer #6 · answered by Anonymous · 1⤊ 0⤋
What has been "crucified," in this instance, is the English language.
2007-04-10 18:53:48 · answer #7 · answered by Anonymous · 1⤊ 0⤋
To many questions, what do you really seek?
You seemed confused and lost, I would advise that you seek a pastor, priest, Rabi or Claret.
2007-04-10 18:57:19 · answer #8 · answered by danielditdit 2 · 1⤊ 1⤋
The man who had nothing to do with a god.
2007-04-10 18:50:38 · answer #9 · answered by Wardog 3 · 0⤊ 3⤋
Jesus the Guru was crucified. That's who.
2007-04-10 18:52:18 · answer #10 · answered by huffyb 6 · 0⤊ 5⤋