Hmmmmm........sigh!.................I was hopeing your retarded A$$ ..
choked on your tongue!......
Here you go...
Career highlights
3-time NBA Champion: 2000, 2001, 2002
11-time NBA All-Star: 1997, 1998,1999, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007
Has started in each of his appearances
9 consecutive appearances (No All-Star game in 1999 due to league-wide lock-out)
2-time NBA All-Star Game MVP: 2002, 2007
NBA Scoring Champion: 2006 (35.4, 9th highest in NBA history)
8-time All-NBA Selection:
First Team: 2002, 2003, 2004, 2006
Second Team: 2000, 2001
Third Team: 1999, 2005
6-time All-Defensive Selection:
First Team: 2000, 2003, 2004, 2006
Second Team: 2001, 2002
NBA All-Rookie Second Team: 1997
NBA All-Star Slam Dunk Champion: 1997
NBA regular season leader in:
points: 2003 (2,461), 2006 (2,832, 7th highest in NBA history)
field goals attempted: 2006 (2,173)
field goals made: 2003 (868), 2006 (978)
free throws made: 2006 (696)
2nd highest single-game point total in NBA history: 81, set on January 22, 2006 vs. the Toronto Raptors. (The record is 100
NBA milestones
Youngest player in NBA history to reach:
10,000 points (24 years, 193 days), set March 5, 2003 vs. the Indiana Pacers.
14,000 points (26 years, 240 days), set April 20, 2005 vs. the Portland Trail Blazers.
15,000 points (27 years, 136 days), set January 6, 2006 vs. the Philadelphia 76ers.
16,000 points (27 years, 192 days), set March 3, 2006 vs. the Golden State Warriors.
17,000 points (28 years, 86 days), set November 17, 2006 vs. the Toronto Raptors.
18,000 points (28 years, 156 days), set January 26, 2007 vs. the Charlotte Bobcats.[16]
Youngest player to start an NBA game (18 years, 158 days), making his first start for the Los Angeles Lakers on January 28, 1997.
Youngest player to start an NBA All-Star Game (19 years, 175 days), making his debut at the 48th annual All-Star Game at Madison Square Garden on February 8, 1998.
Youngest player to be named to the NBA All-Defensive Team (1999-2000) [17]
I almost forgot.........65pts then 50pts then 60 then 50 only him and Wilt could do that....!
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Kobe at 28 vs MJ at 28
Kobe NBA champion 3..........MJ 1
Kobe All defensive 6..........MJ 4.
Kobe 2nd highest pts 81........MJ 63
Kobe youngest allstar ever!!!!!!!!
Kobe allstar games 11.......MJ 7
Kobe MVP allstar game 2.....MJ 1
Kobe playoff games 126...MJ 35
Kobe youngest to score just about every mark...MJ 0
Kobe Most 3pointers in a game 12(record)...MJ..7
Kobe all NBA selection...9........MJ...5
Kobe cheated on wife 1...........MJ 1....wow! something there even in!!
yes Kobe came in the league younger..But he did'nt start...if the coach(Del Harris) was'nt a dumba$$..and let Kobe play...they may have won 2 more chips!...
take away his first 2 years(like I said he came off the bench) in the playoffs and his playoff averages jump to 26ppg....he did'nt get more because he was throwing the ball to Shaq everyother play!...plus the lakers were so dominant that alot of those games he was resting in the 4th quarter!....cause the Lakers were up by 20
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You already asked this Question!.....Here you go!.....
I'm going to try and answer your question....try to stay with me..each game takes on a personality of it's own,great player's can get a feel of the game and try to adapt to it's personality.The 63 point game Kobe was in a rare zone that player's rarely get into.I don't think many people expected him to get there again so soon.Well when the Toronto game came along Kobe found himself in that zone again and the game found it's personality(Kobe's in the zone again and this time were going to see how long he can stay there)The whole crowd was into it and if the 63 piont game hadn't been fresh in peopel's mind's he probably would have sat in the fourth.But everyone wanted to see what he could do.
Now in pheonix,game 7, Kobe was trying to score I think he had like 20+ points at the half.But the lakers were down by 20...I think Kobe was trying to get a read on the games personality....if you remember the games they had won he wasn't scoring that much especialy in the fourth.Even the overtime thriller, the lakers won he didn't score in the fourth.. exept the last minute layup and the game winner.Every game has it's own personality try to get a read on it and win.
3 hours ago
Alpha Wolf,
""I'm sorry but you're not making any since....lol. Your boy Kobe choked. That was his 1st time as being the teams 1st option player being in a game 7. As a team leader he's never been in that position, so he did what alot of players do that aren't great,....and that's choke!"-you ......like 05 heat vs pistons game 7
Your talking in circles man..
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How did he choke win the suns were favored to win in the first place?.....The lakers forced a game 7 against a team (the suns..who almost went to the finals)who was heavily favored.On top of that Kobe made some of the most memorable plays in playoff history.The lakers lost to better team.....Oh yeah watch the game again the lakers were playing better when he wasn't scoring...do whatever it takes to win that's the piont
as for the 04 finals..the whole team was playing bad..I don't know why but from top to bottom they waere burntout..plus Kobe had serious issues to deal; with...most people wouldn't be able to play through that...the only game they won was because of Kobe....
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You bring up some point's....now ring the bell.....
Wade was hurt..Wade was hurt.....wahh!
Fall down seven get up eight....come on man ...D-wade is always hurt and most importantly he's always telling every body. If you can run you can play basketball.Not to mention they were at home in Miami in 05 game's 7.They were a higher seed then detriot and they were supposed to win.As for the 04 final's ...did the lakers even have a chance to choke..that series was over before it even started....and like I said before if not for Kobe they would have been swept.You want to talk about Detriot shuting down great scorers.I seem to remember a certain someone getting shutdown year after year by detriot.Jacking 40+ shots a game to get 30 pionts.Don't remember....his name was Jordan..Detriot shut him down year after year, we all saw how that turned out.Overcoming a great detroit piston team,Kobe will do it just like Jordan did.
Now you want to talk about choking.......How about Portland vs Lakers 99-00.Up by 15 late in the 4th...only to lose because Kobe got hot and fueled a comback.That is widely regarded as the greatest comeback in playoff history..how about 15-1 the greatest playoff record ever.No need to score alot for Kobe because the games were over at halftime.Damn most of those games in the lakers threepeat were Dominating victories...it was garbage time by the 4th....and Kobe was resting on the bench.Multiple game winning shots, multiple comebacks...some of the greatest moments ever!(kobe to shaq..alleyoop).....you got me relaxed and chillin....cause.... I .....know... I ....got...... you!.............getting ring's that's what it is about, no matter how... just get them... Kobe's got three....now are you still beating? cause I packed a lunch!........CLFJSMOI...
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1. I said he got hot and fueled a comeback...(FUELED ):to SUPPORT or STIMULATE an ACTIVITY....Of course he didn't do it on his own...No one does...I said widely regarded as the greatest comeback....and that 13 point comeback aint got nothing on Reggie vs the Knicks ....scoring like 9 points in 8sec..
so whatever point you bring up I got five more.....you got me ccchillin inside...or should I say..YGMCI
2. If you piont your finger at someone and call them a liar and HYPOCRITE..you have four finger's pointed back at yourself.
3.The "Jordan Rules" contained Jordan... not 1...not 2...but 3 years in a row....All I know is the pistons won, and in one of those years the bulls only won 1 game of the series.
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Sigh.....once again if this is a K24 vs D-wade then you got nothin...Stevie Wonder can see Kobe is a better allaround player.
And the crazy thing is...All the stuff Kobe has done from his rookie year till now...he's only 3-4 years older then Wade...bananas!.....be afraid be very afraid...
"MJ...lol. MJ won 6 titles, 6 finals mvps, & swept the Pistons..4-0.....and you act like he never seen success."-You..
I said the pistons contained/shutdown jordan+ the bulls...meaning the Pistons defeated them.Jacking 35+ shots a game(somtimes 40)to score points and losing. It aint the rings that made MJ great!If you think that ...then you don't have a clue.
If it is about Statistics..rings MVP's... scoring..etc.Then numerous other players would be considered the greatest...Russell?...11 ring's and the leader in the only stat that matters.(bieng a star and Winning)..And Kobe would definitly outshine Wade. But it's not the stats that made Jordan great...
The pistons did contain Jordan, that may not have shut himdown every game but they did contain him.(3yrs in a row).Now once..again...How did the lakers choke when they weren't supposed to win in the first place?In fact they plyed better in the "bigstage" then people thought...(you have got to get better then that)
Your from Indiana..........I'm sorry.
Why do keep talking to yourself, calling yourself all these crazy names... like...eye d 10 Tango.. It's self destructive.
Yaawwwn.......you got me chillin.........Don't try to iceskate uphill.
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"MJ didn't ever get contained, it was his sorry team(Brad Sellers, young & not matured Scottie, young & not matured Grant, & etc.)"-you making excuses...
" Why won't you guys stop making excuses for Kobe, because the excuses you guys makes haven't made any since & you guys are starting to contradict yourselves! "-you telling everybody to stop making excuses..( I told you when you point that finger you have four fingers pointing back at you!)
"IDIOT! MJ didn't ever get contained,", "IDIOT! MJ never choked!"
"IDIOT! MJ is the greatest of all time & Wade is 10 TIMES better then ball-hogging Kobe!"-You...why do you constantly refer to MJ as "IDIOT! MJ"...MJ is not an IDIOT!..
"Alpha Wolf,
I'm sorry but you're not making any since"
"Alpha Wolf,
once again you're not making any since"- do you mean "sense"?
Because the only thing I know in my "heart" ....is you ain't got either of them.....
Now please leave me alone so I can watch the game!......YGMCI
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If you learned not to do something as a kid...why are you still doing it? It doesn't make "since"
You just don't get it............You are lost in the sauce,,,,,,....I knew you were talking to me.I just wanted to see how many more times you would type "IDIOT"
I bet three more times...........and guess what, I was right!....I know what your going to say before you do!
I'm making money off you right now...your like a Tool being Used!....I'm like a puppet master pulling your strings...so keep typing..keep making excuses...and more importantly keep pionting your finger....cause you make yourself look like a..... (please respond....type it you know you want to)....I got you in my POCKET RIGHT NOW!....I'm sippin a milkshake ...now leave me alone so I can watch the heat get blasted....Wade looking like Mr.Glass..
Man your not "Handicapped" in any way are you?...Cause I have been messing with you this whole time and if your "handicapped" in any way ...that's MAJOR!....HELL...POINT's...FOR ME...
to easy..LOL
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Prettytony?...
I gave you "Stats".......here want some more......
Michael Jordan never had a winning season without Pippen!
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FROM...HOOPFAN!!!!!!!!
........let's examine Jordan's career, shall we:
His first season with Chicago, he led them to a 38-44 record, losing in the first round of the playoffs.
His second season, another losing record (30-52), swept by the Celtics in the first round of the playoffs
His third season, MJ's Bulls posted their third consecutive losing record 40-42, and once again were swept by the Celtics in the first round.
In his fourth season, the Bulls draft Scottie Pippen, and FINALLY win more games than they lose, 50-32. They also FINALLY make it to the second round of the playoffs, losing to Detroit 4-1.
In his fifth season, they finish in 5th place (out of six teams), but make it to the eastern conference finals, losing again to Detroit 4-2.
In his 6th season (Phil Jackson's first), they finish in second place, but lose the eastern conference finals in seven games to Detroit.
In his 7th season, the Bulls win their first of three championships in a row. The Bulls finish the 1993 season at 57-25, then Jordan retires to play baseball.
In 1994, the first season without Jordan, everyone predicted the Bulls would fall apart. So what happened???
The Bulls finish with a 55-27 record, only winning two games less than with Jordan. Pippen had his best year WITHOUT JORDAN , as did everyone else on the team. Pippen, Horace Grant, and BJ Armstrong all made the all-star team. And had it not been for a blown call by the refs in the playoffs, the Bulls would have made it to the finals that year. All of this WITHOUT Michael Jordan there to "make them better players." LOL
How could the Bulls' only slip 2 games without Jordan, considering "he was the sole reason for them winning?"
How about the next year (1995). Pippen becomes only the second player in history to lead his team in points, rebounds, assists, blocks, and steals. All without Jordan there to "make him a better player."
Jordan probably see's that the Bulls are winning without him, and decides to return (he wasn't having any luck in baseball either). He plays in the final 18 games, and the Bulls make the playoffs. They end up losing in the second round to Orlando 4-2. (What happened to Jordan "willing his team to victory?")
Then the Bulls win 3 more titles, and Jordan retires for a second time. He returns a couple of years later to lead the Wizards to two consecutive losing seasons (without Pippen), failing to make the playoffs either time, and then retires for good.
Jordan played five seasons without Pippen. In those five seasons, he posted five losing records, missed the playoffs twice, and was 1-9 in the playoffs.
Pippen went on to play for Houston and Portland, making the playoffs every year. He returned to Chicago, but was limited to 25 games due to injuries. That was his only losing season in the NBA.
Let's recap: Jordan joins the Bulls and posts 3 consecutive losing records until they draft Pippen. They then get their first winning season. They keep adding players and getting better, until they finally win a title. Then Jordan leaves, and the Bulls only slip two games. Jordan returns and the Bulls do worse than the year before. They get Rodman, win three more titles, and then they disband the team.
Pippen goes on to succes with two other teams, without Jordan. Michael Jordan goes to Washington, and posts two more losing records, then retires permanantly.
So to answer your question, no Jordan didn't make Pippen. PIPPEN, and the rest of the Bulls MADE JORDAN . Any more questions?...
Like I said Kobe is only 28...and he's a better allaround player! then Mike...even Phil said so..don't tell me your smarter then Phil ....be afraid MJ lover's..be very afraid
Boring and to easy..lol
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5 years....That's like 30% of his career....what are you talking about?..Handful?......then you go on and on about at 27years old...here you go Kobe at 19 yrs schooling MJ...did'nt he drop 35pts on MJ at 19yrs old?(in limited Minutes) if Del Harris started Kobe instead of sitting him ..the Lakers would have won 2 more chips! .at 21 years old he was Winning championship's...when MJ was loseing at North Carolina...in fact when Worthy left ,MJ could'nt get NC...anything..I'm starting to see a pattern!.maybe if PIP played at NC instead of Mike...they would have won! .I thought MJ made player's better ..they actually became worse!?...MJ had a great Bulls team..and YES !Pippen..BJ..and Horace Grant all had there best years when Mike left to go play hardball..I thought he made them better..LOL....MJ is a great player and when Pippen came along it put them over the top.....But without pippen MJ would be a baldheaded Dominique Wilkin's....shoot...put Clyde Drexler on that Bulls team and they would win 8 chips!...every great player needs another great player......but Mike needed PIP..more then PIP needed Mike..it's a fact!..Pippen has won everywhere he went...MJ without Pippen....never had a winning season!..and 1 - 9 in the playoff's...
Now for all your meaningless stats......Your saying MJ was great because of his stats....1)Kobe is still playing.......2)46%kobe..to 49%MJ..WHOOPDITYDOO!(jumping on couch)....
Kobe is better scorer plain and simple!..Stevie Wonder can see that!....MJ never had an outside shot until his 4th or 5th year!....it's not about your stupid stats...if that was the case then Bill Russell would be hands down the greatest EVER!..because he is the leader in the only Stat that matter's.."being a Star and Winning RING's!".......so go take your assist leader stat(laughing)...and steal leader stat(laughing louder)...and let John Stockton shine them...because he own's them!.....but he does'nt own a CHAMPIONSHIP!!!!!..............ahhh to easy!.....are you related to Jdw767?...because your starting to sound like him!.....Now scram..before I make you my *****....
(howl)AROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!
2007-04-09 14:47:08
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answered by Alpha Wolf(Bringer of Rain) 5
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I agree. He only attempted ONE shot in the 2nd half of the 7th game last yr! Jordan would have NEVER let that happen - never! He's not very mature when things aren't going his way. Just watch the tape of the final game against Detroit in the finals a few yrs ago. He all but gave up in that game too.
And Alpha, most of what Kobe has done was done when he was playing with Shaq, except the scoring part. Here are some stats for you since Shaq has left. Like I said in another discussion, if we were talking about total stats and awards, Kevin Garnett would be BAR NONE the best player in the NBA. He's not, and neither is Kobe. Here are some stats to show you what Kobe hasn't done without Shaq.
1) He has yet to have a 2 to 1 Ast to Turnover Ratio. In fact, he has never accomplished that feat in his career... but his Ast/TO Ratio has dropped since his glory days with Shaq.
2) He has yet to lead a team to 50 wins in the last 3 seasons. It won't happen this yr either.
3) His steals and blocks per game are both down without Shaq.
4) He missed the playoffs in his first season without Shaq.
5)) He has yet to lead a team to a single playoff series victory.
6) He went from a "Jordan like" game (meaning that he had no true position on the floor like that of Jordan) to basically a pure jump shooting 2 guard with the departure of Shaq. How often do you see Kobe driving the lane and dunking these days? hmmmm Those lanes aren't so open anymore without Shaq. Hence, he's now a jump shooter.
7) As a starter since the departure of Shaq Kobe is 110-108.. WOW - AMAZING!!!!!! And here's a little tid bit for you.. Since Shaq has been in Miami they have gone 34-38 without him, and 119-51 with him in the lineup.
8) The most important point. It's funny how when both Wade and Kapono go out, the Heat play their best BB of the season. It just so happens that Shaq comes back just a few games before that happens. It's ironic that Shaq's Miami team without Wade and Kapono, can "knock down their shots."... And in 3 yrs time Kobe can't make the players around him better. At the end of the day the stats don't matter. It comes down to who can make the players around them better. Sorry, but Kobe is not making the players around him better.
Some guy on here said that Kobe is the greatest player of all time.. Are you kidding me? After tonight, he's 110-109 as a starter since Shaq's departure. When we're referring to a player as the #1 option on his team, and winning games, Kobe is like Garnett. The years with Shaq don't count as #1 option yrs. Shaq drew the most attention from other teams every night, just as he does with Miami. That's what makes you the #1 option on a team. Kobe isn't getting it done - simply put. And in order to be clutch, like he has been portrayed, you've gotta do it memorable games. Hitting a game winning shot against Seattle or Atlanta doesn't have quite the punch as a winning shot of game 7 of the finals. You've gotta be able to win consistently in order to have memorable clutch performances. He's not doing that as the main guy. And in his one potential game (game 7 last yr against Phoenix) for a clutch performance, he was basically irrelevant.
Michael Jordan never had a winning season without Scottie Pippen.. Dude, you're talking about a hanful of yrs. Are you telling me that Scottie Pippen was the reason for Jordan's success?????? Here are some more stats for you.
Kobe 26-27 yrs of age - No playoff appearance
Jordan 26-27 - Eastern Conf Finals
Kobe 27-28 - Bumped out of the first round of the playoffs
Jordan 27-28 - NBA title (and one of the greatest post season performances in NBA history. Take a look at what he did in the '91 playoffs my friend)
Kobe 28-29 - currently a 7 seed in his conf
Jordan 28-29 - winning his SECOND NBA title
Also, Kobe has never shot over .469 in FG%. Jordan's career avg is .497, and he shot over .469 (Kobe's best yr) 10 times in his career. Last yr Kobe avg'd 35 points per game, at .450 FG%. Jordan avg'd 35 one yr at . 538 FG%. Dude, that's almost 9% difference.
Also, Kobe has never had 2 Asts for every 1 TO in his entire career. That's called a 2 to 1 Ast to TO Ratio. Jordan did it 7 times.
Kobe's best yr in Assists was 6.0, but he also avg'd 4.1 TO's. Jordan avg'd 8.0 in his best yr, with only 3.6 TO's. So he not only avg'd 2 more Asts per game, but also turned the ball over less per game. Also note that Jordan never avg'd over 4 TO's per game one time in his career.
Kobe's has only avg'd over 2 steals per game once in his career. Jordan avg'd over 2 steals per game 10 times. He even avg'd over 3 steals per game one yr.
Kobe avg'd a block or more per game once. Jordan did it 4 times. Jordan avg'd 1.60 Blks per game one season. That's better than the avg Power Forward in the league. And the days of Kobe avg'd a block or more per game are behind him. That won't happen again.
Kobe has averaged 6 or more rebounds twice (2) in his career. Jordan did 9 times.
Kobe has only played a full 82 games for a season 1 time. Jordan did it 9 times.
Dude, do you want to keep arguing? Are we now going to argue wins and losses, because Kobe is 110-109 as a starter since Shaq left... What can you possibly argue?
Do you know Kobe Bryant personally, or related to him? You're taking it a little too personally. Are you 8 yrs old?
I don't care what Phil said. Also look at who Pippen went to play with. He went to play with Rasheed Wallace. He went on to be a #1 option for the NBA champion Detroit Pistons. After that he went to play with Hakeem (one of the most underrated players in NBA history), who was a #1 option for 2 NBA titles, and with Charles Barkley who was a #1 option for an NBA finals team.
Pippen did not make Michael Jordan. Jordan dominated statistically like no other guard has ever dominated before, and even before Pippen got there. Plus, if Pippen made Jordan, then why were team's focal points on Jordan?
And answer this final question. Name any players whose numbers didn't drop after leaving Jordan. And yes, Steve Kerr's mins dropped after leaving the Bulls, along with his overall production. I'll give you the answer - Horace Grant. And Horace's numbers didn't drop b/c he went on to play with Shaquille O'Neal. So Horace played with 2 of the most dominant players in the last 20 yrs. Hence, his numbers stayed about the same.
Kobe doesn't make the players around him better. It's as simple as that. He's a 6'6 version of Kevin Garnett now that he's the focal point.
2007-04-09 22:18:27
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