Why do Libs present it as the Islamic terrorists versus the West?

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It's the Islamic terrorists versus the rest of the world. Always has been. How many troops did Bali send to Iraq?

And why do they claim that the US instigated it, that there would be little or no jihad if not for the US or Bush? Agree or disagree with the US or Bush but these people have been waging jihad for going on 1100 years. Bush was elected in 2000 and the Declaration of Independence was signed in 1776.

You know why we say they hate us for our freedoms? Because that's what the TERRORISTS THEMSELVES say.

You know why we say they find their inspiration in the Koran and in Muhammad's example? Because that's what the TERRORISTS THEMSELVES say and because the Koran says to do what they're doing and because Muhammad - with swords rather than truck bombs - did the same exact things.

If you want to hate Bush hate Bush. Hate America too for all I care. But why does that preclude also hating the terrorists?

Aviator - look at a map. Bali is in the east. Also, they're at war with women everywhere. You tell me - the last 4 attacks on TROP's list are in Thailand - is that in the west?

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/index.html#Attacks

OK ArgleBargle, there's 1000 Muslim examples for every 1 Christian example you dig up. I'm not Christian either but can you see the wild difference in source and in scope?

rt1290 you're just wrong. That's just not historically accurate. He held himself out to be a prophet and the religious leaders of the day rejected him and set get out of town. Muhammad personally led dozens of unprovoked raids for the purpose of converting villages that refused to follow his religion. He would massacre the whole village - kill the men, keep the young women and convert them to Islam, keep some of the kids and raise them as Muslims, and sell the rest of the women and children off into slavery. His successors were even worse - do you know why northern India is Muslim and not Buddhist? It's because Muslims from neighboring countries came in and slaughtered the Buddhists. There used to be settlements from various religions throughout the Middle East - the Muslims killed most of those people, sent some of them into exile. The "Muslim World" was conquered by force.

Answer 1

I do not think a lot of liberals believe in them. Look how many do not believe the terrorist attack of 9/11. We still have to fight to protect the libs.

Answer 2

You are twisting a few facts. First, the Liberals, well as the Conservatives, both say that Islamic terrorists are our enemies, hence the support from both sides for the military action in Afghanistan...The only real difference is that the Liberals never agreed with the war in Iraq and if they ever thought we needed to be there, believe that the President lied about the reasons...WMD's have never been found, the nuclear case was proven false, and Al Queda never had a relationship with Saddam (he was never a religious terrorist, a fascist dictator, maybe, but not a religious fundamentalist)...Liberals (or at least a major part of them) believe that if we were not tied down in Iraq, we could be more fluid in our response, as well as more capable of pre-emptive action, to terrorists around the globe. The real problem I have with Bush is that he has not included the opposition in a problem that will last well past his presidency. If he has a grand strategy, he has not shown it. If his grand strategy has been to occupy a Middle East country as a staging area for response to terrorists, he has not made or even shown his plan. The plan seems to be "bring democracy to Iraq". and that in itself is hollow.

Answer 3

I do hate terrorists, regardless of what religion they claim. I believe it can be described as terrorist extremists vs everyone else, not just the West.

Truth be told, I've never had a one-on-one conversation with a terrorist (to my knowledge), nor has anyone I've met that has been in Iraq or Afghanistan, so I don't know what "they" say. But I have had personal conversations with Muslims of varying degree of devoutness, and none of them agree with terrorist's goals or methods.

Maybe I just don't understand hating someone for his/her freedom. I can understand being jealous of freedom, but I've never hated anyone just because I envied something they could do which I could not.

Religious texts say a lot of pretty messed up stuff, the Bible included; don't Christians find their inspiration in the Bible and in Jesus's example? None of it should be taken literally.

Answer 4

first of all, i don't think you were being very clear. i didn't understand much of what you said.

"the Koran says to do what they're doing and because Muhammad - with swords rather than truck bombs - did the same exact things."
- he only did that to protect the religion. it was being attacked at that time. what religion doesn't tell its followers to protect it? those verses in the Quran(you spelled it wrong) were talking about and teaching history, not telling us in this day and age to kill non-muslims, but, of course, some people misinterpret them to say that we should kill people. they are idiots and they're going to hell, but i don't see why you're grouping all the muslims with them.

Answer 5

Christians and democracy are no longer interchangeable words, neither is it precise to declare that Christians combat for democracy, as though that variety of action is extra to their credit than non-Christians. some might, yet so do exactly as many human beings of many different faiths. I placed up, till you and all human beings else learns to chop up your non secular ideals from the motives you're prepared to soak up arms for, no person will ever win. non secular wars have raged around the international, all yet non-supply up in one area or yet another, for hundreds of years. Democracy as a reason is worth battling for and preserving. Religions can never be. they are separitist, exclusionary, divisive, and maximum of them show as part of their doctrine that the international will lead to war. As background has shown repeatedly, that may no longer an excellent commencing place for peace.

Answer 6

Liberals don't present it that way.
Terrorists and terrorism needs to be fought with a highly focused international police force, not a military.
If your intent is to eliminate a single person in a crowd, you don't mow the crowd down with a machine gun. All that is accomplished that way is to make a larger group of enemies.

Answer 7

They sort of are at war with the west. You do know that the west doesn't just mean North America? I mean, they aren't really at war with non-Western countries are they? So it is pretty accurate to say they are against the west in a big way. I don't defend anything the terrorists do, but they don't really hate other parts of the world.

Answer 8

The west has always caused more terrorism than tiny Jihadist groups. We strive to encourage as much terrorism as possible, and we are incredibly successful in achieving that.

Answer 9

I guess that means all christians are like the Westborough Baptist Church and the whacko Phelps who thinks america should be destroyed by god for it's immorality then too huh?

Answer 10

Hell, even it was Islamic terrorists (use the term IslamoFascists-that is what they are) versus the west-so what? We are right and they are wrong.