Freedom = The absence of necessity, coercion, or constraint in choice or action.
Free Will = Freedom of humans to make choices that are not determined by prior causes or by divine intervention
I wanted to clear this up since alot of people are saying God gave me freedom.
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If god gave you free will then why did he create the comandments? If you cant steal because the comandments said so that is not free will, its obedience. Now you will probably be compelled to say something like,"God wants all of us to steal then, yeah right," but lets just call that reality in everyday life even without faith.
My sources come from Merriam-Webster dictionary and im sorry, but your wrong if you think God gave you freedom. Your right if you say he gave you obedience, then again humans naturaly have freedom, thus proving he does not exist.
http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/freedom
http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary
2007-04-08
14:35:09
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to DZE:
I naturally follow the 10 comandments although im not religious. Any ordinay human can do that without God.
2007-04-08
14:47:29 ·
update #1
to Q:
I dont believe in God untill he decides to pop out. Im a realist not an athiest.
2007-04-08
14:53:03 ·
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to RB:
hes not forcing his telling you to follow his rules, thus no free will.
2007-04-08
14:55:56 ·
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to HEY!: yeah thats why the bible was created your right
2007-04-08
15:04:44 ·
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to HEY!:
bible created by men to be specific
2007-04-08
15:05:30 ·
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tp persnicady:
If im wrong can you prove hes real then? didnt think so.
2007-04-08
15:07:53 ·
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to free2bfearless:
Nope that is not free will, look up my source according to the dictionary.
2007-04-08
15:11:02 ·
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to spike:
yes your right about that, but if someone stops me from eating cake and ice cream that wouldent be under me own free will. In other words, if you believe in God you have will, but exclude *free*
2007-04-08
15:17:33 ·
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to ramjet:
that sounds right to me. choice is another word for will.
2007-04-08
15:19:50 ·
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to pasntru2:
yup I make my own orders, although I would have obedience to a red light sort of speak. It doesent give authority since its artificial.
2007-04-08
15:26:23 ·
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to charmain:
ummm actually free will is being able to do whatever you want if only it comes from you and not influenced by anything else. Well clearly the rules you follow come from the people who govern you. You still have the choice to not follow them if you want -thats freedom.
2007-04-08
15:42:45 ·
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to julian:
I take it you mean that theirs a seperation between the mental, and physical world. If your saying you can fly in your mental state, but not in your physical state then yes your restrained from having that freedom. So if thats true to you, then metaphorically speaking god is a created entity from the mind and not physicaly real then... interesting. I respect and agree with that.
2007-04-08
16:02:47 ·
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my choice is to obey God as best as I can.
2007-04-08 14:45:24
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answered by Anonymous
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false statement: humans naturally have freedom, thus proving he does not exist.
Humans are imprisoned in their body and their physical universe. Try and fly around, or warp through space-time, go ahead, it'll be fun.
Humans can't even think without following the logic of their own language, and you say that humans have freedom? What a load of garbage.
First of all society limits this freedom, so what, does that make Society God? Or evil?
Second humans are still that, humans. Freedom, in an absolute sense, means I could turn into an animal, or a rock, or become a mountain, but I can't, so I don't have absolute freedom.
We have A free will. Emphasis on "A." If you want to jump, you can, but as soon as you do, forces pull you down, so your will is inherently free, but as soon as it is willed, it becomes IMPRISONED, hence no freedom, within natural causes.
The only absolute freedom is the unwilled will, the will prior to all actions. This is God, the absolute Self beyond all creation, prior to creation, which is the cause of all things, not a thing caused by other things. God brings forth the entire cosmos from himself, to which the created cosmos becomes fixed upon itself by going away from God and thus becomes dependent upon itself. So everything in creation is dependent upon other, meaning there is no freedom, except for the uncaused will, the cause of all created things.
2007-04-08 21:53:21
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answered by Julian 6
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Free will doesn't mean that you can do whatever you please and whenever. You do not take your freedom to abuse or manipulate. Your freedom should be used in love and with wisdom. America is a free country or as so they say. Then why are there so many laws and regulations? You are free to walk into a store and have any item on the shelf, but there is a law in motion....you got to pay for it. For example, go to the library and borrow a free book. There are laws and regulations that have to be met. Don't return the book in the stipulated time and you have to pay a fine. Obedience is a principle, that has to be developed. Daniel and the three Hebrew boys, developed obedience by not bowing to the King and his defiled food. They prefer to be cast into the Lion's den and the fiery furnace before disobeying God. That is what you called developed obedience. If God was to give us obedience then we would be Robots and not humans.
2007-04-08 22:19:56
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answered by charmaine f 5
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I believe that God gave us Free Agency.. the ability to choose.. but we do NOT get to choose the consequences of our choices...
Lucifer wanted to take away our Free Agency as we came to earth and thus EVERYONE would return to Heaven.. But God the Father would NOT take away our Free Agency so Lucifer rebelled and was cast out of Heaven...
We do things of our own free will.. we can choose to steal or not steal.. we can choose to follow the commandments or not.. we only need to follow the commandments if we want to return to Heaven...
if we did not have free will then we would not even have the choice.. we would be doing things like robots under control.. no choice.
2007-04-08 21:46:13
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answered by ♥Tom♥ 6
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you certainly live up to your avatar name .....even so commandments were made .....free will was not stopped ...plenty of stealing going on .....as well as rape ....kidnapping .....and many many other injustices towards fellow man .....just because guidelines were set that would make man feel good with himself and get along w/ others isn't going to be proof enough for the nonbelievers but does give me an idea of how I want to live .....and believe in the ideals that a higher conscious bestowed upon us
2007-04-08 21:48:35
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answered by pasntru2 2
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of course He gave you free will...you have the option of obeying Him or defying Him..what you do is up to you! does that mean there are no consequences for your actions? of course not...are you free to eat chocolate cake and ice cream for every meal and ignore vegetables completely? sure! does that mean you will be healthy on that sort of diet? i doubt it-but that doesn't mean that you are not free to choose the cake and ice cream-learning that actions have consequences is a part of growing up..most people figure this stuff out in their childhood-it's really not that complicated
2007-04-08 21:45:01
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answered by spike missing debra m 7
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Free will is a fiction perpetrated by church people to rationalize their desire to see people writhe and scream in agony in Hell forever.
Free will is an idiotic concept. The church people's Nazi god gives 'free will' and then most of the souls he created end up in Hell and stay there throughout eternity.
Presumably he enjoys that as much as they do.
2007-04-08 21:42:15
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answered by Anonymous
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if ur will is naturally to follow the commandments then it is freedom ... there was no way to be justified by following the commandments thats why Jesus came ... there is somthing fundamentally corrupt in man that needed fixing first and in all actuality people do not naturally have free will and are bound by sin and a slave to somthing they cannot escape by will ....
2007-04-08 21:42:17
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answered by Anonymous
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You are one confused little guy. God gave us free will to obey eternal laws which are unchangeable or to disobey those eternal laws. Those eternal laws just simply are. They are not dictates by God. God Himself lives those laws. Of course He does...if not...how could He expect us to do so? That would make him a hypocrite. Every commandment is calculated in its nature to bring to pass the exaltation of mankind. There are no meaningless commandments. All of them have the purpose to bring about our happiness. Men are that they might have joy.
2007-04-08 21:40:03
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answered by Arthurpod 4
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You are right about free will. You are right about obedience. God gives us free will so that we will have no excuse for wrongdoing, and if we accept him, and grace, He will give us the spirit of obediance. You are wrong about the evidence He doesn't exist!
2007-04-08 21:43:22
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answered by persnicady 3
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"Example:
If god gave you free will then why did he create the comandments? If you cant steal because the comandments said so that is not free will."
Still my will to choose to steal or not!
2007-04-08 21:39:30
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answered by Anonymous
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